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STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION
6 DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE
INFORMATION RESOURCE COMMISSION
7 STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION
ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION
8 MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION
BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNAL
9 IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND
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The above agencies came to be heard before
11 THE FLORIDA CABINET, Honorable Governor Chiles,
presiding, in the Cabinet Meeting Room, LL-03,
12 The Capitol, Tallahassee, Florida, on Tuesday,
May 14, 1996, commencing at approximately 9:46 a.m.
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Registered Professional Reporter
17 Certified Court Reporter
Notary Public in and for
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 Representing the Florida Cabinet:
3 LAWTON CHILES
Governor
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BOB MILLIGAN
5 Comptroller
6 SANDRA B. MORTHAM
Secretary of State
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BOB BUTTERWORTH
8 Attorney General
9 BILL NELSON
Treasurer
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FRANK T. BROGAN
11 Commissioner of Education
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1 I N D E X
2 ITEM ACTION PAGE
3 VOTE ON PAY RAISES:
4 Approved 7
5 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION:
(Presented by Ash Williams, Jr.,
6 Executive Director)
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2 Approved 8
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DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE:
9 (Presented by J. Ben Watkins, III,
Director)
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1 Approved 9
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3 Approved 10
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13 INFORMATION RESOURCE COMMISSION:
(Presented by P.J. Ponder, Jr.,
14 Interim Executive Director)
15 1 Approved 11
2 Approved 11
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STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION:
17 (Presented by Robert L. Bedford, Ph.D.,
Deputy Commissioner)
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1 Approved 12
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3 Approved 28
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5 Approved 29
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ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION:
4 (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
Secretary)
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1 Approved 30
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3 Approved 30
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MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION:
8 (Presented by Russell S. Nelson, Ph.D.,
Executive Director)
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A Approved 32
10 B Approved 32
C Approved 33
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BOARD OF TRUSTEES,
4 INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT
TRUST FUND:
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Secretary)
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7 2 Approved 42
3 Deferred 42
8 4 Approved 42
5 Approved 43
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7 Approved 43
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9 Deferred 44
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 (The vote on Executive Directors' pay raises
3 and agenda items commenced at 10:27 a.m.)
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: At an earlier meeting, I
5 proposed that we provide some salary increases
6 for our Executive Directors. At that time,
7 there was the feeling on the part of members of
8 the Cabinet that we should wait till the
9 legislative session was over, see what the
10 Legislature did in regard to pay raises for all
11 State workers.
12 The Legislature has taken up and passed
13 provisions for a pay raise for all State
14 workers, including up to a 10 percent for
15 workers below a certain level.
16 I would like to renew the request -- or my
17 motion -- or my move to approve the
18 Executive Directors' pay raises.
19 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: I'll make
20 that motion, Governor.
21 TREASURER NELSON: And I second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and
23 seconded.
24 Let's call the roll on that.
25 COURT REPORTER GILBERT:
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1 Commissioner Brogan.
2 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Aye.
3 COURT REPORTER GILBERT:
4 Commissioner Crawford.
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6 Commissioner Nelson.
7 TREASURER NELSON: Yes.
8 COURT REPORTER GILBERT:
9 Comptroller Milligan.
10 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Yes.
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12 General Butterworth.
13 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Yes.
14 COURT REPORTER GILBERT: Secretary Mortham.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: No.
16 COURT REPORTER GILBERT: Governor Chiles.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Aye. Yes.
18 By your vote, you have approved the
19 Executive Directors' pay raises.
20 Our next meeting will be held on May 29th.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Now we'll go to the State
2 Board of Administration.
3 MR. WILLIAMS: Item 1 is the minutes of the
4 April 23 meeting.
5 TREASURER NELSON: I move it.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, they're approved.
9 MR. WILLIAMS: Item 2 is an interest rate
10 exception for the Lake Bernadette Community
11 Development District.
12 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I move it.
13 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
15 Without objection, that's approved.
16 MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Bond Finance.
2 MR. WATKINS: Item number 1 is approval of
3 the minutes of the April 9th meeting.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: So move.
5 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, they're approved.
8 MR. WATKINS: Item number 2 is a resolution
9 to authorize the distribution of RFPs for
10 financial advisors.
11 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
14 Without objection, that's approved.
15 MR. WATKINS: Item number 3 is a report of
16 award of 300 million dollars in revenue bonds
17 for the Department of Environmental Protection's
18 Preservation 2000 program. This is the sixth
19 installment of a 10-year program that was
20 initiated in 1991. Bids were received on
21 April 10th at the Division, and the bonds were
22 awarded to the low bidder at a true interest
23 cost of 5.52 percent.
24 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Motion.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
2 Without objection, it's approved.
3 MR. WATKINS: Item number 4 is a report of
4 award of a 35 million dollar credit facility for
5 the State's consolidated equipment financing
6 program, which is administered by the
7 Comptroller's Office.
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: So move.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, that's approved.
11 MR. WATKINS: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Information Resource
2 Commission.
3 MR. PONDER: Governor, item 1 is approval
4 of the minutes of February 27th.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, they're approved.
9 MR. PONDER: Item 2 is the Quarterly
10 Performance Report for the period ending
11 March 31st.
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
15 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: State Board of
2 Education.
3 DR. BEDFORD: Governor Chiles, members of
4 the State Board of Education, good morning.
5 First item is minutes of the meeting held
6 March 28th, 1996.
7 TREASURER NELSON: Motion.
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 DR. BEDFORD: Item 2, quarterly reports for
12 January 1st through March 31st, 1996.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, that's approved.
17 DR. BEDFORD: Item number 3 is the
18 recommendations of the Articulation Coordinating
19 Committee. You each received a packet, explains
20 that committee substitute for Senate Bill 2330
21 required the Articulation Coordinating Committee
22 to make certain recommendations to the State
23 Board of Education.
24 And today with us, we have two gentlemen
25 that are going to come forward. Dr. Tom Furlong
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1 who is the Deputy Executive Director, Division
2 of Community Colleges; and Dr. David Spence, the
3 Executive Vice Chancellor for the Division of
4 State Universities.
5 And while they're coming forward, I would
6 like to tell you, this was just an enormous
7 task. And I want to thank the many, many people
8 in the community colleges and State University
9 System that were involved in this task.
10 And as these gentlemen explain it to you,
11 I think you'll get the idea that we expected
12 this might take forever, and cause hard
13 feelings, and be one of those gigantic kind of
14 challenges. And it went very, very smoothly,
15 and I'm indebted to these two gentlemen as they
16 come forward.
17 MR. FURLONG: Good morning, Governor --
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good morning.
19 MR. FURLONG: -- and members of the
20 Cabinet, I'm Tom Furlong. I'm the Deputy
21 Director of State Board of Community Colleges.
22 Pleased to have a chance to share this with you
23 today.
24 This is the so-called time to degree
25 legislation that passed by the '95 Legislature,
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1 and we've spent most of the past year working on
2 this. I think most of the folks in higher
3 education were supportive of the various
4 elements of it.
5 But as Bob just said, we were a little
6 worried we could pull off some of the things I'm
7 going to mention to you in about a six-month
8 period that we had to do it, and then also
9 implement it by this coming August. And I think
10 we've done -- made really good progress.
11 At the June meeting last year, the
12 Articulation Coordinating Committee, we put
13 together an Oversight Committee that really was
14 the key to this. The group consisted of myself
15 and Dave Spence, the Executive Vice Chancellor,
16 as Chairs.
17 But the really important thing was we had
18 four or five community college presidents, and
19 four or five provosts from the state
20 universities that came to every meeting; were
21 involved in every decision; and when they went
22 back to the campus, were able to get the thing
23 moving so that we were implementing it as we
24 went along.
25 The key recommendations that we had to
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1 address were getting all of our community
2 colleges and universities in about a six-month
3 period to a standard 36 hours of general
4 education requirements. And that's one of the
5 items that's before you today.
6 And the range had been from 36 to about
7 49. Everyone would have to come down to 36;
8 would have to identify the general ed courses;
9 and submit them to the Articulation Committee,
10 and ultimately to you, as an inventory of what's
11 available in the system.
12 They didn't have to be the same 36 hours,
13 but they had to be identified in five category
14 areas to help transfer students between
15 community college and universities, and also
16 among institutions.
17 That's been completely finished, and that's
18 before you today. That's primarily an inventory
19 that'll be updated once a year, and we'll be
20 back in January of each year to update that
21 list.
22 A second major requirement that really
23 doesn't need to go to the Cabinet, it stops at
24 the Articulation Coordinating Committee, but
25 probably took the bulk of our time, and is if --
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1 that's the folder that you probably have in your
2 office -- was the identification of common
3 prerequisites for all of the programs in the
4 State University System that community college
5 students might be transferring into.
6 As we got into this, we discovered there
7 were 231 programs that our students might
8 transfer into. Prerequisites were known. There
9 were local articulation meetings, for example,
10 between Tallahassee Community College and
11 Florida State, or Santa Fe and University of
12 Florida.
13 But this was an attempt for statewide
14 common prerequisites. So it required us to put
15 together 23 academic discipline committees to
16 address these 231 areas.
17 After about six months' worth of work, and
18 you can imagine the arguments among faculty
19 trying to get exactly what the standard
20 prerequisites could be, and then making
21 recommendations to our group, we've completed
22 now 225 of the programs. And there -- they will
23 be in counseling manuals this coming fall.
24 The remaining six programs are primarily in
25 areas like music ed, art ed, PE, health science
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1 ed, landscape architecture, had unique
2 problems. And we're planning on having a
3 meeting in January -- I mean, in June to
4 complete work on that area.
5 The other major activity that the committee
6 dealt with this year is so-called course
7 leveling. There were 1700 courses in our system
8 that were at both the upper division and lower
9 division level.
10 This was perceived by the Legislature, and
11 others, as causing a transfer problem, and so
12 these were all addressed by the faculty
13 committees, ultimately by our committee, to be
14 leveled either up or down, upper division
15 courses, or lower division.
16 So now you've got the faculty dealing with
17 everybody else's courses and having to make
18 these decisions in that same time frame.
19 That activity's been completed, with the
20 exception of 171 courses that were just so
21 unique that we've referred those to the common
22 course numbering system. And they'll be back
23 with the recommendation.
24 But the others in that 1700 have all been
25 completed now.
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1 Another piece of this that I didn't mention
2 was we also, the year prior, had required of
3 community colleges, which had ranged from
4 60 hours to 67 hours to get the Associate of
5 Arts degree, to go to 60 hours. So all 28 are
6 now at 60 hours.
7 This year, the universities were to address
8 the issue of getting their programs, the 231
9 programs, to a 120 hours to the extent
10 possible. There was a provision for exceptions
11 that Dave's going to address where the
12 Board of Regents could come in, and with cause,
13 show why a program should still be above 120.
14 If that occurred, then a community college
15 would be eligible to do -- go above 60 and serve
16 half of the credits in one of those larger
17 programs.
18 A good example would potentially be
19 architecture, which is a five-year program at
20 many schools. So the 60-hour, 120-hour issue
21 was addressed.
22 And I guess the -- one of the overriding
23 things that we were real pleased about was in
24 attempting to shorten the time, to help
25 students, and to save dollars, what we didn't
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1 want to lose was the ability for students to
2 take some electives and potentially change their
3 major and get penalized.
4 So the -- one of the overriding goals,
5 there'll be at least 3, and potentially 6 to 9
6 to 12 hours of free electives beyond
7 general ed that weren't used up by the common
8 prerequisites that were coming out of the
9 university system.
10 I think in every case that we've already
11 approved, we were able to accomplish that. And
12 in most programs, it's more like 6 to 12 hours
13 are still available for free electives.
14 There was a lot of press coverage and
15 concern in our system all along that there'd be
16 no room for such electives. They are still
17 there, and that took a lot of working together
18 with the two systems.
19 The -- so finally the committee made these
20 recommendations to the Articulation Coordinating
21 Committee, and one or two other items that we
22 also have adopted.
23 The -- as soon as we finished this, already
24 faculty are looking at new programs, changing
25 programs, this type of thing. There's no
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1 prohibition to that. So this obviously becomes
2 an evolving document that will change over
3 time.
4 So we've set up in the memo in front of you
5 a time frame where those changes would come back
6 to the Oversight Committee for us to take to the
7 ACC group so that there is a process for these
8 to change over time.
9 And finally, when you have a pile that
10 large and you have a student trying to find out
11 what he's supposed to do, there was provision in
12 the legislation to take what we completed and
13 put it into a computerized format for counseling
14 manuals for our students around the system.
15 And the next agenda item where you're
16 dealing with some of our computer information
17 for the community colleges and a degree audit
18 system that the Legislature addressed again this
19 year, becomes part of this. And that's --
20 that's moving along, we have a joint regents
21 community college group that hopes to have a
22 recommendation on that by the end of the summer.
23 The other thing Commissioner asked me to
24 mention very briefly was in the area of
25 remediation. It really isn't part of this
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1 directly. But obviously one of the significant
2 ways to reduce time to degree is to address
3 remediation and the need for it.
4 While we worked on this topic, we also
5 worked with the Commissioner in terms of a
6 letter that he and Charlie Reed and
7 Clark Maxwell have sent out to all the parents
8 of all the eighth graders in the state, which
9 encourages them to have their students take the
10 higher level courses in math, English, and
11 reading to decrease the need for remediation.
12 And, Commissioner, we're real pleased you
13 had them pass the 30 million dollars in the
14 legislative session that we just completed,
15 which provides 20 million to school districts
16 for students who are successful in passing our
17 placement test and not needing remediation,
18 there's a 20 million dollar incentive fund.
19 In addition, there's a 10 million dollar
20 incentive fund for those school districts and
21 schools that have their students take these
22 higher level courses.
23 If that -- if they take those courses,
24 there's strong data that those remedial numbers
25 will go down, and that's going to reduce our
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1 time to degree significantly. And that becomes
2 very important as the Legislature moves toward
3 funding off of this time to degree concept.
4 The universities starting this year have
5 some limits on them in terms of how many hours
6 the State will pay for. It's just inevitable
7 that a community college system in a year or two
8 will also have some of those.
9 In our performance based budgeting that
10 passed in the current legislative session, there
11 are incentive -- there's an incentive pot for us
12 to bring those hours down to 12 million dollar
13 fund. And, again, this time the degree package
14 and the remedial package together will address
15 that.
16 And, Dave, are you here?
17 Ask Dave Spence from the State University
18 System to maybe add a few things.
19 MR. SPENCE: Governor, members of the
20 Cabinet. Good morning. I'm Dave Spence,
21 Executive Vice Chancellor with the University
22 System. And I'll just take a minute.
23 I do want to tell you that I -- in March of
24 '95, our provosts from the ten universities
25 developed a plan for making the progression to
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1 the baccalaureate degree more efficient, more
2 effective, more productive.
3 There is kind of the perception around,
4 I think even to this day, that this was
5 something that was done to the universities and
6 to the community colleges. I guess my main
7 point is that this was a tremendous cooperative
8 effort among the Department of Education, the
9 community colleges, the universities'
10 Articulation Coordinating Committee.
11 The -- I made quite a reputation in the
12 Legislature, the 1995 Legislature, whining about
13 how this couldn't be done in any less than
14 three years. The Legislature and legislation
15 has a way of -- of encouraging you to reexamine
16 your schedule.
17 And -- I'm still amazed, and I take -- Tom
18 takes no credit for this -- that our faculties
19 and our provosts, the academic leaders, the
20 presidents of all 38 institutions, have got all
21 this done.
22 This is nothing less than reforming the
23 curriculum of the community colleges in the
24 universities. And that's really saying
25 something in this state because of the 2 plus 2
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1 system where they're so interlocked. That's,
2 I guess, the first point.
3 The other thing would be to point out that
4 there's been a tremendous amount of work done
5 and result. Just within the -- the university
6 system, the time to degree legislation called on
7 us to reduce as many of our 614 programs -- now,
8 many of those programs are duplicated across our
9 ten universities -- but reduce each one of these
10 614 programs, where possible, to a 120 degree
11 hours.
12 In six months, the universities have
13 reduced over 200 degree programs. Before the
14 time to degree legislation, I believe, it was
15 just over 50 percent, 52 percent of
16 undergraduate students were studying in programs
17 that took 120 hours, four years to graduate
18 from.
19 Beginning next fall, we project that
20 student -- 84 percent, 84 percent of the
21 undergraduate students will be studying in
22 programs with 120 hours.
23 Naturally, in reducing these programs,
24 we've taken all the necessary steps, we hope, to
25 maintain the quality.
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1 The last point, I promise, is that perhaps
2 the thing that was most crucial to improving
3 student progression from the freshman year
4 through the senior year, through the
5 baccalaureate degree, was this part of the time
6 to degree legislation that had to do with
7 standardizing, making common the courses that
8 you need to take to be admitted to the major
9 area of study in the junior and senior year.
10 That's extremely challenging in our system,
11 because we're the only system in the country
12 where over half of the students who get a
13 baccalaureate degree begin in the community
14 colleges.
15 And I never would have guessed -- I never
16 would have guessed that our faculties would have
17 come together -- our faculties can't agree on
18 anything, you understand -- but they came
19 together in six months.
20 And I figured we'd have out of the
21 230 different programs, at least 50 or
22 60 exceptions that the Board would -- we'd go to
23 the Board of Regents and have them approve. So
24 far, we have eight or nine. And I think that's
25 really reflective of how the universities and
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1 the community colleges have responded so well to
2 this initiative.
3 Thank you.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, before I
5 move this item, I'd also like to thank the
6 representatives from community colleges and the
7 SUS. It has been a long time coming, I know.
8 But I think that the articulation that we're
9 starting to see between the three entities,
10 K-12, community colleges, and state
11 universities, is better than it has been in a
12 long, long time.
13 And we all recognize that you can't make a
14 change at the university system that doesn't
15 ultimately ripple back and affect kindergarten,
16 and you can't make a change at kindergarten that
17 doesn't ultimately go on to affect community
18 colleges and the state university.
19 And some of the things you've heard made
20 mention of here today, as well as the creation
21 of the consistently applied and administered
22 college placement tests for entering freshmen
23 and community college SUS, the cut score will
24 now be consistently applied. That'll give us a
25 better database as far as remediation is
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1 concerned.
2 We're now going to have in place the
3 10th grade version of that college placement
4 test on a voluntary basis so students can
5 actually start to take it and understand what
6 it's all about.
7 You've heard about the -- the challenge to
8 more rigorous course work and the incentive that
9 was granted to us by the Legislature for those
10 schools and those districts who take up that
11 challenge, and the schools who bring down their
12 remediation rate.
13 Pre-service activities that are changing in
14 our colleges of education, staff development
15 opportunities we've never had before, and help
16 with our critically low performing schools, as
17 you've heard me talk about.
18 So we have a long way to go, there's no
19 doubt about it. But better articulation,
20 I think, than ever before. And this was a major
21 step forward I think for the students of the
22 state of Florida.
23 So with that, I would move this item,
24 Governor.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and sec--
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1 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
2 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
4 Without objection, it's approved.
5 DR. BEDFORD: Item 4, a contract for the
6 implementation of integrated design for Division
7 of Community College database.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: So moved.
9 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 DR. BEDFORD: Item 5 --
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Just a -- just a
14 quick word about that.
15 As billed, that is going to put in one of
16 the final missing pieces on a consistent
17 database with K-12, community college, state
18 university, that's not only going to benefit
19 faculty and staff, but'll benefit the students
20 of the community college level as well.
21 And it's -- that also has been a long time
22 coming. It's going to be an important piece of
23 the puzzle.
24 DR. BEDFORD: Item 5, contract for the
25 development of the Florida Comprehensive
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1 Assessment Test.
2 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: So move.
3 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, it's approved.
6 DR. BEDFORD: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES:
2 Administration Commission.
3 DR. BRADLEY: Item 1, recommend approval of
4 the minutes of the meeting held April 23rd,
5 1996.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, it's approved.
10 DR. BRADLEY: Recommend items A, B, and C,
11 which transfer general revenue appropriations in
12 the Department of Health and Rehabilitative
13 Services.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
17 Without objection, that's approved.
18 DR. BRADLEY: Item 3, recommend the
19 transfer of general revenue appropriations in
20 the Department of Management Services.
21 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
24 Without objection, item 3 is approved.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Marine Fisheries
2 Commission.
3 DR. NELSON: Good morning.
4 Item A is a series of minutes, previous
5 meetings.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
8 Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, they're approved.
11 DR. NELSON: Item B is a technical revision
12 to the gulf king mackerel size limit regulation.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move it.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
15 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
17 DR. NELSON: Item C is a --
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Without objection, it's
19 approved.
20 DR. NELSON: Excuse me.
21 Item C is -- implements a one-year
22 moratorium in the trap production schedule in
23 the spiny lobster fishery.
24 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
2 Without objection, it's approved.
3 DR. NELSON: Item D allows for the use of
4 recreational frame nets off certain bridges that
5 have been designated to use as fishing piers.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, it's approved.
10 DR. NELSON: Item E is the northeast
11 shrimping regulations. It -- this rule will
12 implement a requirement for fish exclusion
13 devices in shrimp trawls in the northeast
14 regions.
15 It also eliminates the current minimum size
16 law, and establishes a larger minimum mesh size
17 in shrimp trawls for -- to allow smaller shrimp
18 to get through the mesh.
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
20 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approved.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
22 Without objection, it's approved.
23 DR. NELSON: Item F is the bait fish trawl
24 fishery. This issue originated last fall after
25 this -- the Cabinet approved regulations which
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1 prohibited the use of bottom tending trawls for
2 finfish species.
3 The Commission had at that time contacted
4 industry in all regions of the state, indicated
5 that we were interested in looking at new
6 proposals for other types of gear, alternative
7 gears. The gear type that was brought forward
8 is used in the panhandle.
9 It's the only one that we have received a
10 direct request for. The Commission's gone
11 through the regulations, in which allows the use
12 of a surface trawl for bait fish species in the
13 panhandle, which we think will provide a
14 sufficient -- I don't want to use that word --
15 an alternative to the purse seine gear that has
16 been prohibited by the net ban.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
20 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: But question --
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- Governor.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Without objection, it's
24 approved.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: This obviously will
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1 put some additional pressure on this
2 particular -- or these particular species.
3 Is that going to be somehow studied or
4 watched or --
5 DR. NELSON: Well, Commissioner, we do try
6 to monitor every regulation that we have in
7 place to see if it's getting its intended
8 effect. In this case, I think I can fairly --
9 I'm fairly confident in saying that at least in
10 the near term, the pressure from this kind of
11 gear is not going to be as extensive as that
12 which was previously used from a much larger
13 purse seine gear that is no longer legal.
14 So this fish will have scaled back. And
15 the real question is whether or not sufficient
16 production will exist to replace that gear.
17 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Thanks, Governor.
18 DR. NELSON: Thank you.
19 MR. FUCHS: Richard Van Munster wants to
20 speak.
21 DR. NELSON: Where is he?
22 Richard Van Munster would like to speak on
23 the trawl issue.
24 Sorry, Richard.
25 MR. VAN MUNSTER: Thank you.
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1 My name is Richard Van Munster. I'm a
2 fisherman that he didn't contact. And I'm part
3 of the industry that he didn't contact.
4 I have a letter here that was before the
5 Palm Beach County Commission --
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: This was a public
7 hearing, was it not, or --
8 MR. VAN MUNSTER: I was never notified. I
9 was -- I've been off the -- off their mailing
10 list, and I called about -- about a month ago
11 and asked to get put back on it again. And I
12 haven't done it.
13 And let me read you this.
14 This is -- this was from the Palm Beach
15 County Commission just last Tuesday.
16 And the bait's drying up in this state.
17 There's not enough to go around. We're having
18 to depend upon South America.
19 Just let me read it.
20 We, as long-time users and distributors of
21 locally caught bait, are concerned about its
22 continual availability. We now must rely on
23 other countries in South America for bait.
24 Our local bait fishery is one of the oldest
25 in south Florida. It has always met the
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1 requirements of Amendment 3. It did not
2 overharvest or waste, and was very limited.
3 The Marine Fisheries Commission has
4 recently given an unlimited quota to a few large
5 boats. We do not think this is fair.
6 Harvesting bait outside 1 mile by small boats is
7 impossible.
8 Why encourage a fishery using 60 or 80 foot
9 boats, and deny access to our 25 to 35 foot
10 boats, which catch one-fifth of what they catch.
11 These small boats have been completely
12 stopped. We thought Amendment 3 limited, not
13 eradicated. We believe Amendment 3 could be
14 enjoined in Palm Beach County because of
15 economic impact.
16 That's the signatures of every drift
17 fishing boat, and 90 percent of the tackle shops
18 in Palm Beach County. The Marine Fisheries
19 Commission is out to stop commercial fishing in
20 Florida.
21 And the -- and these little trawls, these
22 little top water trawls, are not going to hurt
23 anything. These 500 square foot trawls, if --
24 y'all were worried about trawls -- I mean, about
25 turtles and all the rest of the stuff, we
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1 wouldn't have had -- had about 2 miles of the
2 intercoastal waterway that's been laying
3 there --
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: We were worried about
5 bait fishermen being able to fish their bait in
6 northwest Florida. They came up here, they said
7 they were worried about it, we asked the
8 Commission to look into that. They held a
9 public hearing, they did look into that. They
10 are allowing those bait fishermen to be able to
11 use some of their fishing gear.
12 MR. VAN MUNSTER: Governor, I'm a --
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Now --
14 MR. VAN MUNSTER: -- bait fisherman.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well then, I would
16 suggest that you let us know that you've got a
17 problem, and maybe you're doing that now. I
18 would suggest that you ask the Marine Commission
19 to take up your problem, and the problem of all
20 of those people there, and -- and they will hold
21 some kind of a hearing on that.
22 MR. VAN MUNSTER: I've been doing that for
23 the last six years. I haven't missed --
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: No, I haven't --
25 MR. VAN MUNSTER: -- a meeting.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seen you up here when
2 the northwest fishermen came. So, I mean --
3 MR. VAN MUNSTER: I -- we didn't know --
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- if you want to --
5 MR. VAN MUNSTER: -- about it. None of
6 these people knew about it.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Then, believe me, you
8 will be on the agenda, you will get a chance to
9 get your fishermen together, and come before the
10 Marine Fisheries Commission.
11 MR. VAN MUNSTER: Well, if this thing is
12 voted in today --
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
14 MR. VAN MUNSTER: -- we will be excluded.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Pardon?
16 MR. VAN MUNSTER: We will be excluded.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: No, sir. This right now
18 gives them some permission that they did not
19 have before.
20 Now, if you want to get that permission,
21 you ask for it, and let's see what the
22 Marine Commission's findings will be.
23 You're not excluded. You just didn't get
24 included.
25 MR. VAN MUNSTER: Well, I --
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Because you didn't ask,
2 or we didn't --
3 MR. VAN MUNSTER: They know that -- that --
4 they know me. They know that the -- that the
5 mile prohibition with the net ban has totally
6 eradicated our fishery. They know that.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: That's exactly what the
8 northwest Florida fishermen came and said, and
9 that's why they got a meeting.
10 Now, you know, if you want to get a
11 meeting, we will give you a meeting. The
12 Commission will do that. You get your fishermen
13 together, you petition the Commission, we'll
14 have a meeting.
15 MR. VAN MUNSTER: We would like to do that.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good. It's done -- it'll
17 be done.
18 MR. VAN MUNSTER: All right. Thank you.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
20 DR. NELSON: We have, in fact, held since
21 this time, three hearings, one in southeast
22 Florida. And we are still -- the door is not
23 shut here. The Commission is still open and
24 soliciting any kind of proposals for alternative
25 gear.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Be sure and put him on
2 your mailing list.
3 DR. NELSON: I'll make sure he's on there,
4 Governor.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
6 DR. NELSON: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Board of Trustees.
2 MS. WETHERELL: Item 1, minutes.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, they're approved.
7 MS. WETHERELL: Item 2, recommend approval
8 of submerged lands aquaculture leases.
9 SECRETARY MORTHAM: So move.
10 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, they're approved.
13 MS. WETHERELL: Item 3, recommend deferral
14 till June 13th.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move deferral.
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
18 Without objection, motion to defer is
19 granted.
20 MS. WETHERELL: Item 4, an option agreement
21 for the Florida Keys ecosystem CARL project.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MS. WETHERELL: Item 5, two purchase
2 agreements for FSU.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, it's approved.
7 MS. WETHERELL: Item 6, a purchase
8 agreement for South Savannas CARL project.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 MS. WETHERELL: Item 7, an option agreement
14 for Crystal River State Archeological Site.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move it.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
18 Without objection, it's approved.
19 MS. WETHERELL: Item 8, a purchase
20 agreement for Department of Agriculture, and a
21 waiver of survey.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MS. WETHERELL: Item 9, we're recommending
2 deferral till June 13th.
3 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: You've got it.
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move deferral.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, the motion to defer is
7 granted.
8 MS. WETHERELL: Additional item 10,
9 recommending the purchase of the Pineland Site
10 Complex CARL project, and a waiver of appraisal
11 requirements.
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move it.
13 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 (The Board of Trustees of the Internal
18 Improvement Trust Fund Agenda was concluded.)
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4 STATE OF FLORIDA:
5 COUNTY OF LEON:
6 I, LAURIE L. GILBERT, do hereby certify that
7 the foregoing proceedings were taken before me at the
8 time and place therein designated; that my shorthand
9 notes were thereafter translated; and the foregoing
10 pages numbered 1 through 45 are a true and correct
11 record of the aforesaid proceedings.
12 I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am not a relative,
13 employee, attorney or counsel of any of the parties,
14 nor relative or employee of such attorney or counsel,
15 or financially interested in the foregoing action.
16 DATED THIS 27TH day of MAY, 1996.
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