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6 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION
DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE
7 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION
8 ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION
FLORIDA LAND AND WATER
9 ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION
MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION
10 TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNAL
IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND
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12 The above agencies came to be heard before
THE FLORIDA CABINET, Honorable Governor Chiles
13 presiding, in the Cabinet Meeting Room, LL-03,
The Capitol, Tallahassee, Florida, on Tuesday,
14 December 10, 1996, commencing at approximately
9:59 a.m.
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Registered Professional Reporter
19 Certified Court Reporter
Notary Public in and for
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 Representing the Florida Cabinet:
3 LAWTON CHILES
Governor
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BOB CRAWFORD
5 Commissioner of Agriculture
6 BOB MILLIGAN
Comptroller
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SANDRA B. MORTHAM
8 Secretary of State
9 BOB BUTTERWORTH
Attorney General
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BILL NELSON
11 Treasurer
12 FRANK T. BROGAN
Commissioner of Education
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5 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION:
(Presented by Tom Herndon,
6 Executive Director)
7 1 Approved 19
2 Approved 20
8 3 Approved 20
4 Approved 20
9 5 Approved 21
6 Approved 21
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DIVISION OF BOND FINANCE:
11 (Presented by J. Ben Watkins, III,
Director)
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1 Approved 22
13 2 Approved 22
3 Approved 23
14 4 Approved 23
15 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE:
(Presented by L.H. Fuchs,
16 Executive Director)
17 1 Approved 24
2 Deferred 25
18 2 Approved as Amended 28
3 Approved 29
19 4 Approved 29
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STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION:
4 (Presented by Wayne V. Pierson, Ph.D.,
Deputy Commissioner for
5 Planning, Budgeting, and Management)
6 1 Approved 30
2 Presentation 30
7 3 Presentation 41
4 Approved 69
8 5 Approved 69
6 Approved 70
9 7 Approved 70
8 Approved 70
10 9 Approved 70
10 Approved 71
11 11 Approved 71
12 Approved 72
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ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION:
13 (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
Secretary)
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1 Approved 73
15 2A Approved 73
2A Approved 74
16 3 Approved 74
4 Approved 74
17 5 Approved 75
6 Approved 75
18 7 Approved 76
8 Approved 76
19 9 Approved 76
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ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION:
21 (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
Secretary)
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1 Approved 77
23 2 Approved 77
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MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION:
4 (Presented by Russell S. Nelson, Ph.D.,
Executive Director)
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A Approved 81
6 B Approved 81
C Approved 82
7 D Approved 82
E Approved 82
8 F Approved 83
9 BOARD OF TRUSTEES,
INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT
10 TRUST FUND:
(Presented by Virginia B. Wetherell,
11 Secretary)
12 1 Approved 84
2 Approved 84
13 3 Approved 84
4 Approved 85
14 5 Approved 85
6 Approved 85
15 7 Approved 86
8 Approved 86
16 9 Approved 86
10 Approved 87
17 11 Withdrawn 115
12 Approved 115
18 13 Approved 115
Substitute 14 Approved 115
19 15 Approved 116
Substitute 16 Withdrawn 116
20 Substitute 17 Deferred 116
21 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 118
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 (The following item commenced at 10:02 a.m.)
3 (Treasurer Nelson not present in the room.)
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's my understanding
5 that Senator Crist has asked to address the
6 Cabinet and the Governor.
7 SENATOR CRIST: Yes, sir.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Senator.
9 SENATOR CRIST: Governor, I want to
10 thank you for the opportunity to address the
11 Cabinet and yourself on an issue that I believe
12 to be very important, college scholarships for
13 inmates.
14 I'll be brief.
15 As I see it, there are two problems here.
16 Number one, there's a flaw in the way in which
17 this measure became law. I believe it to have
18 been by deception, a Trojan horse, if you will.
19 In my humble opinion, the language of the
20 measure was very unclear, if not outright
21 deceptive. It was described as, quote,
22 Transition Assistance Program Enhancements.
23 In no language that addressed this issue
24 were the words scholarship or college even
25 mentioned. It is wrong to mislead, it is not
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1 honest, and I think it attacks the integrity of
2 our process.
3 I can also assure you that this program of
4 scholarships for criminals in no way represents
5 legislative intent, certainly not for the vast
6 majority of the Legislature.
7 The second issue, I think, is the bad
8 public policy that it sends. The idea that the
9 hard earned money of taxpayers would be used to
10 create a scholarship program for murderers,
11 rapists, and robbers should shock the conscience
12 of any serious thinking, well informed person;
13 bearing in mind, of course, that the State
14 currently does provide for high school level
15 education for those in the prison system, which
16 I believe is appropriate.
17 Some time ago, Governor, you gave me the
18 copy of a very good book, entitled The Death of
19 Common Sense, which discusses America's
20 frustration with government.
21 In my opinion, taxpayer funded college
22 scholarships for criminals is a perfect
23 illustration of the death of common sense.
24 Think of the message that this sends to
25 citizens, particularly our young people; in
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1 other words, commit a crime, get a free college
2 education. I believe that is wrong, and
3 I believe you would agree.
4 I don't believe that anyone could look into
5 the eyes of law abiding citizens that we all
6 represent, and say to them that this type of
7 program is the right thing to do.
8 This is simply a matter of doing what is
9 right, and correcting a problem. You, as
10 Governor, with the concurrence of the Cabinet, I
11 am informed, have the power and the opportunity
12 to correct this unfortunate situation.
13 I would implore you to please do so for the
14 benefit of our law abiding citizens who have to
15 struggle so hard in order to earn a college
16 education.
17 I strongly encourage you to stop the flawed
18 message of, in essence, rewarding criminal
19 behavior with a college scholarship.
20 I want to thank you again very much for
21 your courtesy, and hope that you'll have the
22 opportunity to take action.
23 Thank you, sir.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, Senator.
25 You've raised a couple of points there.
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1 One is that the -- the legislation,
2 I think, you said -- or the proviso was a
3 Trojan horse.
4 My understanding is that it -- this
5 provision passed the House, there was not a
6 similar provision in the Senate appropriation
7 bill, that this item went to conference. The
8 Conference Committee, in its wisdom, decided to
9 include the item in the conference.
10 It is noted in proviso language -- and it
11 has an A at the end of the number, the numerical
12 designation -- and that A signifies action that
13 was taken by the Legislature, as opposed to
14 action that was put in my budget: Not included
15 in the Governor's budget, was included by the
16 Legislature, was passed by the Conference
17 Committee, which action was then ratified by the
18 House and the Senate.
19 The item then comes to the Governor, as the
20 entire appropriation bills does --
21 SENATOR CRIST: Uh-hum.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- and we noted the
23 item. No one had spoke to us about the item.
24 And the item as the proviso language I thought
25 was very clear. I don't have a copy right now.
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1 Maybe I'll get it in a second.
2 I thought the proviso language said, if a
3 prisoner was taking education courses, pursuing
4 his education while in prison, this was a
5 proviso to allow them to, at the community
6 college, receive some credit --
7 (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- to go forward with
9 that education at the community college.
10 Now, that's a little bit different than
11 saying we're going to give every prisoner a
12 college education.
13 And some of your statements, I think, said
14 that this applied to murderers and rapists,
15 which I don't think it does.
16 SENATOR CRIST: I certainly hope not.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: I do --
18 SENATOR CRIST: But it's a --
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- too.
20 SENATOR CRIST: -- moving target.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: I do, too.
22 SENATOR CRIST: So I don't know what it is
23 from one day --
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: And I have the language
25 now.
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1 SENATOR CRIST: Uh-hum.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: This is 607A, Lump Sum
3 Transitional Education, General Revenue Fund,
4 $400,000. From the funds in specific
5 appropriation 607A, the Department shall provide
6 minority education assistance in connection with
7 the Transition Assistance Program for those
8 offenders nearing release who have been enrolled
9 in education programs, to complete their
10 education in community schools.
11 Now, I don't see anything that's not clear
12 about that. That appears to me to be written in
13 our mother tongue, English. And I can
14 understand that.
15 And as the Vice Chairman of the Conference
16 Committee --
17 SENATOR CRIST: Uh-hum.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- it seems to me that
19 this is something that you passed.
20 Now you're placing me and the Cabinet in a
21 position of thwarting the will of the
22 Legislature. Now you're opposed to this, but
23 the House, again, passed this provision in
24 legislation. And the Senate, by virtue of the
25 Conference Committee, accepted.
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1 Now, for those reasons, you know, I think
2 we have to clearly look at it. And you're
3 exactly right, I gave you a copy of the book.
4 You need to read the book.
5 SENATOR CRIST: I read it, Governor.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, good.
7 Well, and the very thing you've said about
8 the public is tired of the Legislature and of
9 all of us elected officials not making good
10 decisions and all I think applies to how this
11 got in the budget.
12 Now, you know, I think that common sense
13 would have said, a decision like this should be
14 made by the body that makes the public policy.
15 I'm to carry it out. I present my budget. I
16 propose, the Legislature disposes.
17 This was not in our budget; put in by the
18 Legislature; and now you're saying, we, the
19 Cabinet, should take it out. I don't know
20 whether we've got the authority to take it out,
21 to tell you the truth.
22 But I will tell you, no plan has been
23 presented as yet by the Department of
24 Corrections, the budget office has not had an
25 opportunity to look at that plan. And so it may
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1 come to the Cabinet at some time, but it is not
2 right to come to the Cabinet now.
3 But personally, this was an item, as I say,
4 that we kind of wondered about when the budget
5 came by us. Having heard from no one about it,
6 and seeing it was clearly put in by the
7 Legislature, we decided we would not thwart the
8 will of the Legislature.
9 But I would hope, Senator, that, you know,
10 on items like this, strong feelings as you have,
11 you would have argued those feelings at the
12 Conference Committee. You had a chance on the
13 floor of the Senate to try to send it back to
14 conference. You could have notified me even
15 after it passed and said, I would like you to
16 veto this, and cite me the book then.
17 But now I just have a little bit more
18 harder time with it.
19 SENATOR CRIST: Governor, I appreciate your
20 points, and I'd like to respond to them, if I
21 may.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Sure.
23 SENATOR CRIST: I think I explained it in
24 my opening comments, that, in fact, the language
25 presented to us in no way mentioned scholarships
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1 for criminals. It did not even use the word
2 scholarships, nor did it mention the word
3 school -- excuse me -- college.
4 Clearly, when the language says Transition
5 Assistance Program Enhancements, I'm delighted
6 that to you that means college scholarships.
7 But, frankly, to the members of the Senate, it
8 did not mean --
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Where does this language
10 come from that I just read you, 607A? From the
11 funds in specific appropriation 607A, the
12 Department shall provide minority education
13 assistance in conjunction with the Transition
14 Assistance Program for those offenders nearing
15 release who have been enrolled in education
16 programs to complete their community schools.
17 Now, that's -- that's not our language.
18 SENATOR CRIST: No. What's a community
19 school to you, if I might ask?
20 I mean -- my point is --
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: When you're --
22 SENATOR CRIST: When it said community
23 college, I think --
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: I hate to say it, but
25 what it means to me is that you're giving them
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1 assistance to go forward from the schooling that
2 they've had; and community just sort of rings a
3 little bell to me. We call them community
4 colleges, some people call them -- they refer to
5 them as schools.
6 SENATOR CRIST: Uh-hum.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: But it -- it certainly
8 rings a bell to me, Senator.
9 SENATOR CRIST: With I think the common
10 vernacular, Governor, with all due respect, when
11 you're talking about community college is to
12 call it a community college.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well --
14 SENATOR CRIST: And then I think the
15 interpretation, if I might, by our body was that
16 this was to be some kind of vocational
17 education, certainly not a college scholarship.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Remember, a specific
19 appropriation for this fund passed on the floor
20 of the House.
21 SENATOR CRIST: I don't serve in the House.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Pardon?
23 SENATOR CRIST: I don't serve in the
24 House. I hear the point you're making. But
25 when you say that you believe it to be the will
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1 of the Legislature, I have to respectfully
2 disagree.
3 Certainly it was not presented in
4 conference in that fashion, I can assure you of
5 that. We had no understanding that this was
6 going to be college scholarships for ex-cons.
7 And I don't think that the citizens of this
8 state would support it.
9 We can talk about the past, and we can
10 worry about the spilled milk.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, Senator, again,
12 you're Vice Chair of the Appropriations
13 Committee. You're, I think, the ranking member
14 of the subcommittee of Ways and Means.
15 I'm not responsible for writing this kind
16 of language. This is a legislative prerogative,
17 this is legislative proviso language. There's a
18 lot of the proviso language that y'all put in
19 that I have difficulty reading, I want to tell
20 you that. But --
21 SENATOR CRIST: Well, I didn't write this
22 one either, Governor.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: We have to work our way
24 through that.
25 But, again, basically, everything that
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1 we're talking about here was clearly -- much
2 more clearly before the Legislature than it was
3 before me, actually. And before the -- myself
4 and the Cabinet today. And the Legislature
5 spoke its will.
6 SENATOR CRIST: Well, again, I'll
7 respectfully disagree. And we can expend our
8 energies trying to attack the messenger today,
9 Governor, if that be your choice. But it seems
10 to be the more productive thing to do is to
11 right a bad -- right a bad policy; to right a
12 wrong, if you will.
13 It seems to me that we ought to focus our
14 energies on doing what's right for the citizens
15 of the state of Florida, not for the criminals
16 of the state of Florida.
17 And I would encourage you, again, as a
18 Senator who represents almost 350,000 people in
19 Tampa Bay, that this is --
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, I appreciate that
21 very much, Senator. I would say in this
22 instance, you're a little more than the
23 messenger, because a messenger just sort of
24 delivers something.
25 You are, as I say, the Vice Chairman of the
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1 Conference Committee who not -- who made up this
2 message. And that's a little different from
3 delivering it. You're -- so now you're saying
4 that which we made up, we want you to change.
5 We appreciate your appearance here today.
6 SENATOR CRIST: Well, I appreciate your
7 indulgence. And, again, it was not authored by
8 us, and this was not the intent we had in mind.
9 I appreciate your indulgence --
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
11 SENATOR CRIST: -- and hope that you'll see
12 good public policy, and right this wrong.
13 Thank you.
14 (The Inmate College Scholarships Discussion
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16 (Resolutions were presented.)
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1 (The agenda items commenced at 10:40 a.m.)
2 (Attorney General Butterworth exited the
3 room.)
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Now we'll start with the
5 State Board of Administration.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, before we
7 do that, could I go back to something that you
8 touched on very diplomatically before regarding
9 General Milligan?
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, if you have to.
11 (Discussion not on the record.)
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: State Board of
13 Administration.
14 MR. HERNDON: Item number 1 is approval of
15 the minutes as corrected from the November 19th,
16 1996, meeting.
17 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
18 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 MR. HERNDON: Item number 2 is an interest
22 rate exception and approval of the negotiated
23 sale on behalf of the Palm Beach County Housing
24 Finance Authority.
25 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: A motion.
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1 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, it's approved.
4 MR. HERNDON: Item number 3 is approval of
5 fiscal sufficiency of an amount not to exceed
6 220 million dollars full faith and credit for
7 the Jacksonville Transportation Authority.
8 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
9 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MR. HERNDON: Item number 4, approval of
13 fiscal sufficiency of an amount not to exceed
14 eleven million two hundred and ninety thousand
15 dollars, Florida Housing Finance Agency housing
16 revenue bonds.
17 TREASURER NELSON: Move it.
18 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 MR. HERNDON: Item number 5 is a report
22 submitted for your information, review on the
23 October investment performance and fund balance
24 of the State Board of Administration.
25 TREASURER NELSON: Move it.
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1 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, it's approved.
4 MR. HERNDON: Item number 6 is a good cause
5 item, Governor, that was submitted, which is an
6 interest rate waiver and authorization for
7 negotiated bid for the Brevard County Housing
8 Finance Authority in the amount of 1 million
9 dollars.
10 TREASURER NELSON: Move it.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And second.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
13 Without objection, that's approved.
14 MR. HERNDON: That completes the agenda.
15 TREASURER NELSON: Governor, he acts like
16 he knows what he's doing, doesn't he?
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Oh, it didn't take him
18 long to become a bureaucrat again.
19 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Coming right along.
20 MR. HERNDON: Thank you, sir.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
22 (The State Board of Administration Agenda
23 was concluded.)
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Division of
2 Bond Finance.
3 MR. WATKINS: Item number 1 is approval of
4 the minutes of the November 19th meeting.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, it's approved.
9 (Attorney General Butterworth entered the
10 room.)
11 MR. WATKINS: Item number 2 is a resolution
12 authorizing the issuance of up to 65 million
13 Department of Transportation revenue bonds for
14 improvements to Alligator Alley.
15 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MR. WATKINS: Item number 3 are resolutions
21 authorizing the issuance and competitive sale of
22 up to 220 million refunding bonds for the
23 Jacksonville Transportation Authority.
24 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move it.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
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1 Without objection, that's approved.
2 MR. WATKINS: Item number 4 is a resolution
3 authorizing the negotiated sale of up to
4 eleven million two hundred ninety thousand
5 dollars in multifamily housing revenue bonds for
6 the Florida Housing Finance Agency.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Is there a motion?
8 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Motion.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved.
10 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 Thank you, sir.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: The Department of
2 Revenue.
3 MR. FUCHS: Governor, Item 1 is the minutes
4 of the November 19th meeting.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: So moved.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, it's approved.
9 MR. FUCHS: Governor, we have a good cause
10 item that we communicated with you about
11 yesterday, and I request that you and the
12 Cabinet address this issue at that -- or at this
13 time.
14 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Is that -- which
15 one is that? Is that the one with the
16 delegation issue?
17 MR. FUCHS: Yes, sir.
18 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Governor, I would
19 request we'd defer that at this time. That's a
20 major policy change, and we've had it for a few
21 days. But I'd like to take a -- more look at
22 it.
23 There's a compromise that's been proposed
24 that I'd like to know more about the impact of
25 that. And I'd request that we defer at this
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1 point.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Is there -- the motion to
3 defer?
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I'll second his
5 motion, Governor.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, it's deferred.
8 MR. FUCHS: Going back --
9 TREASURER NELSON: On that item, there are
10 issues of great import to the Department of
11 Insurance, and I want to keep the lines of
12 communication open between our Department and
13 yours, as we work through this.
14 MR. FUCHS: Well, actually, Commissioner,
15 Item 2 is the rule that now comes up because the
16 good cause item has been deferred. We are
17 requesting approval to notice rule under
18 Chapter 12B-8, insurance premium taxes, fees,
19 and surcharges for proposed rulemaking.
20 We have worked out the controversial
21 provisions regarding firefighters and municipal
22 police officers trust funds, and we will
23 continue to work with the industry on refining
24 the definitions, as well as working with your
25 department, and any others, who may have other
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1 concerns prior to the actual noticing of the
2 rule.
3 TREASURER NELSON: And this is approval
4 today of noticing the rule, and it'll come back
5 to us; is that correct?
6 MR. FUCHS: Yes.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: All right. I move
8 Item 2, notice of proposed amendment.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Is this back to Item 2?
10 Well, we just adopted a --
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Well, let's call it
12 Item 2A.
13 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Yeah. We deferred
14 Item 1 --
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Oh, I see.
16 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: -- but I guess we
17 can now go to Item 2.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. It's been
19 moved.
20 Is there a second?
21 SECRETARY MORTHAM: I'll second it, but
22 I've got a question.
23 Mr. Fuchs, could you just tell me that as a
24 result of this particular rule, as you
25 understand it, that you will be noticing will it
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1 impose one dime's difference to the companies
2 involved as a result of this rule?
3 MR. FUCHS: It is my understanding that it
4 will not. But all we're doing today, because we
5 deferred delegation of authority to me, you're
6 giving us the authority to -- to open up the
7 process.
8 This is what's required under the new
9 Administrative Procedures Act because we have
10 deferred the delegation.
11 But you will -- we will work out these
12 issues. There will be specific answers to every
13 question before it comes back to you for
14 approval of the actual adoption.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. I understand
16 that.
17 MR. FUCHS: Okay.
18 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And I understand the
19 requirements of the APA, and I think I
20 understand what the Legislature intended.
21 My -- my problem is is that if, in fact, we
22 vote to notice a rule, it only follows logically
23 in my mind that you probably mean that you're
24 actually for the rule as well.
25 So rather than go through a lot of legal
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1 battles; a lot of your time; a lot of your staff
2 time, it would seem to me, let's just be
3 up-front about this right now. Either it's
4 going to impose increased fees on the public, or
5 it's not.
6 I think the answer is is it is not.
7 MR. FUCHS: Uh-hum.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Is that correct?
9 MR. FUCHS: That is my --
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: I just want it --
11 MR. FUCHS: -- understanding.
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- for the record, that
13 what you're bringing to us is no increase in
14 fee.
15 MR. FUCHS: That is my understanding.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. Thank you.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. That's been
18 moved and seconded.
19 And without objection, it's approved as
20 amended.
21 Item 3?
22 MR. FUCHS: Item 3 is request for approval
23 and concept of the Department's legislative
24 proposal for general tax administration
25 number 22. This is our certified audit's
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1 project, a -- an enhancement of the contract
2 audit program essentially with FICPA and the
3 CPAs of the state of Florida.
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move acceptance.
5 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and
7 seconded.
8 Without objection, that's adopted.
9 MR. FUCHS: Item 4 is request permi-- for
10 permission to submit our strategic plan for
11 1997-2002 to the Executive Office of the
12 Governor for review.
13 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 MR. FUCHS: Thank you.
18 (The Department of Revenue Agenda was
19 concluded.)
20 *
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1 (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: State Board of
3 Education.
4 MR. PIERSON: Item 1 is minutes of the
5 meetings held on September 10th, September 26,
6 October 8th, and October 22nd.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, the minutes are
11 approved.
12 MR. PIERSON: Item 2 is a presentation of
13 task force recommendations, Commissioner's task
14 force recommendations on the preparation,
15 certification, performance, contracts, and
16 standards of conduct and practice of today's
17 educators.
18 Betty Coxe will present the presenters.
19 MS. COXE: Good morning, Governor, and
20 members of the Cabinet.
21 We very much appreciate your allowing us
22 today to stand before you and present some
23 exciting recommendations for change. As you're
24 aware, you did recently confirm for the
25 state of Florida the need for increased student
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1 standards. And you worked with the
2 Sunshine State Standards in that regard.
3 This particular piece chooses to do for
4 professionals a similar thing, as was done for
5 kids, to raise the bar of that expectation for
6 Florida's educators.
7 (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
8 MS. COXE: Last year, the Commissioner
9 authorized the formation of task forces to study
10 this admittedly very complex and comprehensive
11 issue. The task forces were, number one,
12 of course, to study the certification and
13 preparation for your educators.
14 The second one looked at the contracts and
15 performance for your educators.
16 And the last one looked at the standards of
17 conduct and practice.
18 I should mention that the task forces were
19 representative of large numbers of stakeholder
20 groups.
21 (Secretary Mortham exited the room.)
22 MS. COXE: At the risk of leaving anyone
23 out, we did have legislators, superintendents,
24 School Board members, administrators, teachers,
25 teacher unions, community colleges,
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1 universities, parents, business, and citizens
2 all represented.
3 So I guess it's fair to say that we came to
4 the table with different views. There were wide
5 disparities among the ways to enhance
6 education.
7 But I must tell you, we all had a common
8 destination, which is, with upgrading our
9 profession we can make a difference for
10 Florida's kids.
11 I'm pleased to share with you today some
12 introductions of people who will be presenting
13 some of the more significant recommendations of
14 the groups. The report in its entirety has been
15 made available to you for study, and we
16 appreciate your efforts in this regard.
17 Speaking to you today will be
18 Phoebe Raulerson, former principal of Okeechobee
19 High School, currently the Assistant
20 Superintendent for Instruction there;
21 Keith Yarbrough, who is a pharmacist from
22 Brevard County, and a member of the Education
23 Practices Commission; and Patrick Hoag,
24 representing an architectural firm who was the
25 newly appointed member of the Education
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1 Standards Commission.
2 Thank you, gentlemen, and without further
3 adieu, Phoebe Raulerson.
4 (Secretary Mortham entered the room.)
5 MS. RAULERSON: Good morning, and --
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good morning.
7 MS. RAULERSON: -- thank you for this
8 opportunity.
9 The Education Preparation and Certification
10 Committee came up with the following
11 recommendations: To revise for preparation --
12 recommendations to revise professional teacher
13 preparation programs to be more closely aligned
14 with the identified knowledge and skills needed
15 for the majority of teacher assignments,
16 including: Classroom management; English for
17 speakers of other language; inclusion of
18 exceptional student education; school law;
19 parent, family, and community involvement;
20 multicultural diversities; and other
21 competencies.
22 To expand the authority of school districts
23 to develop additional alternative add-on
24 certification programs when the need arises
25 within those districts, to develop a five-year
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1 longitudinal study of Florida teacher
2 preparation program graduates to examine
3 success. Currently we examine only the first
4 year they're out in the teaching world.
5 And to increase in-service training in the
6 area of technology, especially the integration
7 of technology in the classroom.
8 The certification recommendations were as
9 follows: To simplify and streamline the
10 certification process, to reduce the number of
11 exceptional student education certification
12 coverages from thirteen to five. This would
13 increase our reciprocity among states, and it
14 will not -- it will enhance our ability to put
15 those special teachers with those special
16 children.
17 To revise the elementary education
18 specialization requirements to place more
19 emphasis on reading, increase content courses in
20 mathematics, science, and language arts, and
21 reduce methodology in courses by integrating
22 those courses within the content areas.
23 To address the out-of-field assignment
24 issue, and allow for consideration of
25 alternative qualifications. Qualified personnel
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1 can be qualified without having 30 hours of
2 college courses.
3 To eliminate the professional orientation
4 program as a requirement for issuance of the
5 professional certificate, but to retain that
6 program as a district requirement.
7 And to provide a common sense rule that
8 allows for judgment based on proficiency in a
9 certification area, either by the number of
10 hours, the level of courses, or passage of
11 subject area tests.
12 Thank you.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
14 MR. HOAG: Good morning, Governor Chiles,
15 Honorable Cabinet members; certainly a pleasure
16 and excited to be here today; and thoroughly
17 enjoyed working on the task force, and currently
18 the Standards Commission.
19 Not to diminish all of our issues here, but
20 a lot of ours are not quite as technical as the
21 other two task forces addressed. And the
22 general -- or the consensus of our task force
23 with current Board rules is that they were very
24 ambiguous, they had no teeth for bite if they
25 didn't district, or employees didn't conform to
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1 the intent of those particular Board rules.
2 And essentially, many were recommended for
3 deletion or to be rewritten. There was
4 difficulty in the terminology with the terms of
5 incompetency and unsatisfactory performance
6 being legally definable.
7 So in rewriting that through various legal
8 counsel, and whatnot, was a real principal
9 issue.
10 Secondly was increased parent or guardian
11 involvement through assessment and evaluations;
12 not just of instructional personnel, but
13 administrators, senior staff, and having a
14 more -- a broader base group for evaluation and
15 reciprocating between instructional personnel
16 and administrators, instead of the descending
17 order from senior staff to administrator to
18 instructors, and instructors, unfortunately
19 bearing the brunt of the problems with
20 public education today.
21 Shortening time lines for formal complaints
22 and the fact that there were horror stories that
23 particular people knew of, issues were not
24 resolved, there was no closure to any particular
25 issue or complaint by a parent or a student to a
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1 student, instructor to a student, vice versa.
2 We shorted -- recommend shortening those.
3 The flexibility of the first year of an
4 instructor being released from a contract, and
5 vice versa, without any loss or difficulty to
6 either the employer or the employee.
7 But finally, and most controversial
8 probably, is tenure and contracts. Initially
9 the private sector wanted to do away with both
10 in their entirety, state, community college, and
11 public education.
12 It was the appearance that they are a
13 hindrance to accountability and responsible
14 behavior, and that the consensus of the group
15 was not that education unfortunately is
16 critiqued quite well lately, but that there is a
17 small percentage of members in that community
18 that actually are the origin of the problems,
19 and not the system as a whole statewide.
20 It was found to be very difficult to get
21 hold -- get rid of employees that were -- were
22 again found to be incompetent, or to have other
23 problems. Tenure, the public sector has
24 difficulty with that concept and why somebody
25 has tenure or promised a job.
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1 And property rights to employment is a very
2 difficult subject that is not necessarily
3 acceptable.
4 Those are the big issues. We feel that
5 Commissioner Brogan's reform initiatives are
6 extremely important, and that the
7 recommendations, particularly the tenure, and
8 the continuing service contracts, that their
9 flexibility needs to be injected in there, and
10 have strong recommendations that these continue
11 forward without any watering down.
12 And certainly a pleasure being here, and
13 been most enjoyable.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
15 MR. HOAG: You're welcome.
16 MR. YARBROUGH: Good morning, and
17 thank you.
18 I'm Keith Yarbrough, and I'm from
19 Brevard County. As a parent and also as a
20 member of the State Education Practices
21 Commission, I'm convinced that --
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Pull that mic up just a
23 little more, and speak into it.
24 MR. YARBROUGH: -- I'm convinced that
25 Florida is, indeed, blessed with many competent,
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1 and caring, and dedicated, and qualified, and
2 productive and ethical individuals who'll serve
3 the children and the taxpayers of our state as
4 educators.
5 However, I'm also convinced that there are
6 on occasion a bad apple or two that might
7 somehow creep into our system and enter our
8 schools.
9 Our mission as a task force was to -- in
10 dealing with standards of conduct and practice,
11 was to find more effective ways in which to deal
12 with those individuals who in some cases,
13 because of their actions, do not deserve the
14 privilege or the responsibility of being in
15 contact with children.
16 And as you -- based on our list of
17 recommendations, I'm confident as the
18 chairperson of our task force that we have,
19 indeed, accomplished that.
20 Thank you.
21 MS. COXE: Thank you.
22 We appreciate your time this morning, and
23 we remain here to answer questions that you may
24 have.
25 Also, because of the comprehensive nature
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1 of this work, it's entirely possible that during
2 the next several weeks or months, you may wish
3 to call upon any of these people, or others, to
4 address some issue in some detail. And we
5 clearly would like to make ourselves available
6 for any such efforts.
7 Thank you so much.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And, Governor, I
9 would like to -- if you'll permit me -- to thank
10 the three individuals that you've heard from
11 this morning who chaired those task forces. We
12 did try to be as cross-representative in nature
13 as we possibly could, knowing that that would
14 really bring a wide array of -- of feelings and
15 beliefs to the table, but also knowing that when
16 you're talking about the backbone of our
17 educational system, and when you look at issues
18 such as how we certify and prepare our
19 professional educators, be they teachers or
20 administrators, how we contract for those
21 services, how we remediate those in need of
22 assistance, how we discipline those in our
23 profession who appropriately so need such
24 discipline, that you're going to have a wide
25 range of beliefs on how that all should unfold.
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1 These discussions will continue. Some of
2 these -- many of these will find their way into
3 the legislative process this year.
4 But the people who served well on those
5 three task forces served also this State Board
6 of Education very well, and we'd like to take
7 this opportunity, through these chairs, to thank
8 all of those members for their hard work and
9 dedic--
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: We certainly do
11 congratulate all of them. It looks like it's a
12 very comprehensive and broad based exercise that
13 y'all have been going through, and I know it
14 will serve the State well.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Thank you, Governor.
16 MR. PIERSON: Thomas Young, III, General
17 Counsel for FEA United, has requested to speak
18 to this item.
19 MR. YOUNG: I waive my time, Mr. Pierson.
20 Thank you.
21 MR. PIERSON: Item 3 is a multimedia
22 presentation regarding NetDay. And I'd like to
23 introduce Bill Smith from the -- Bill Schmid
24 from the Department to introduce the
25 presenters.
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, Bill Schmid
2 is -- as all of you I believe know -- is the
3 head of the State's FIRN program, which is the
4 Florida Information Resource Network, which
5 provides, if you will, the backbone of
6 technological capability that many of our
7 schools and districts, and State agencies,
8 possess.
9 Bill was one of the people who, along with
10 those that he will introduce, helped to make the
11 NetDay activities as successful as they were
12 this year.
13 And he and his partners would like to do a
14 presentation for the members of the State Board
15 on the NetDay activities. And I think you're
16 going to be very proud of what unfolded around
17 the state of Florida.
18 MR. SCHMID: Governor, members of
19 the Board, it's -- it's my pleasure to introduce
20 two individuals from Intermedia Communications,
21 Barbara Samson, the Co-Founder and Chairperson
22 of Intermedia; and Victoria Zepp, the NetDay
23 Statewide Coordinator. And as the Statewide
24 Coordinator for NetDay for education.
25 To be honest with you, my goals were not
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1 quite as lofty as these two individuals. And
2 you will see that they have raised the bar when
3 it comes to business partnerships.
4 Barbara.
5 MS. SAMSON: Thank you, Bill.
6 Good morning, Governor,
7 Commissioner Brogan, and --
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good morning.
9 MS. SAMSON: -- members of the Cabinet, and
10 all of the guests here.
11 Please bear with us for a moment as we get
12 our, so to speak, acts together for our
13 multimedia presentation. Had a bit of a
14 challenge with that this morning.
15 I'd like to start by letting you know that
16 our presentation is about 20 minutes. But it's
17 20 minutes of fun and excitement about the
18 kids.
19 So before we get started, we'd like to show
20 you a brief video which we hope will allow you,
21 along with us, to capture the spirit of NetDay,
22 and allow you to to see and feel some of the
23 exuberant NetDay faces, and some of those
24 children's lives that were touched in the
25 process.
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1 (Videotape was published to the Cabinet.)
2 MS. SAMSON: Woops. Well, that was almost
3 the end.
4 I hope that you can see that together we
5 have made a difference for Florida's school
6 children.
7 I'd now like to take you through the
8 presentation which is not yet up on the screen.
9 There we go.
10 I apologize.
11 Give it one moment. If not, we'll go
12 through hard copy for you.
13 There we go.
14 We wanted to use a computer, and
15 incorporate the Internet aspects of the
16 presentation, because that is what NetDay is all
17 about.
18 NetDay is a volunteer initiative designed
19 to connect kids to their future by bringing the
20 internal infrastructure necessary into the
21 classroom for all of Florida's school children.
22 Our NetDay 1996 was Saturday, October 26th,
23 1996.
24 NetDay, as it's designed, is -- for those
25 of you who may not be familiar with it -- was
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1 originally a nationwide barn raising,
2 grassroots, volunteer initiative designed to
3 bring technology into the classroom, to raise
4 the level of learning for the nation's school
5 children. And that means for every school
6 children -- every school child in Florida.
7 When we first learned about NetDay in early
8 July, no one in Florida had actually said, we'll
9 take complete ownership of it. I think there
10 were folks everywhere in terms of companies
11 interested in doing their part here, and
12 departments within education and government that
13 were interested in participating.
14 But there was no one that had actually
15 said, let us step up and pull the whole thing
16 together for you. And so our company,
17 Intermedia Communications, did step up to the
18 plate and said, we will take responsibility for
19 helping to organize such a program for the
20 entire state of Florida.
21 And so what I'd like to take you through
22 briefly this morning is how we created the
23 NetDay 96 organization, the strategies and
24 tactics that we used to implement the statewide
25 program; want to talk briefly about what we
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1 accomplished; and then where we go from here,
2 how we're going to build on our success.
3 The concept of NetDay originally started
4 back in mid 1995, and was envisioned by two
5 gentlemen in California, John Gage, a chief
6 scientist at Sun Microsystems; and
7 Michael Kauffman, who is a teacher and a radio
8 personality at KQED. And they said, we don't
9 think we can wait for the information
10 superhighway, with the price tag that it's
11 currently carrying, to come to our kids.
12 So they set about on a course to get
13 volunteerism, community folks like you and I, to
14 come out into the schools to actually physically
15 pull wire into those schools. And they also set
16 about in a course to get corporate donations so
17 that we could save taxpayer dollars.
18 The result of that was the first NetDay
19 which occurred in California on March 9th of
20 1996, with more than one-quarter of the schools
21 in California being wired in a single day. It
22 was an extraordinary accomplishment, and one
23 that President Clinton and Vice President Gore
24 also noticed, and then decided to issue a
25 challenge to the rest of the nation to get
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1 involved as well.
2 Florida took on that challenge, and
3 October 26th we began targeting as Florida's
4 NetDay to coincide with the National NetDay.
5 The original goals of NetDay were very
6 simple: First, and most important, to raise
7 public awareness about the educational benefits
8 and opportunities of electronic communications.
9 And perhaps most important was to increase
10 volunteerism in our school system. We all know
11 how important it is to have volunteers in our
12 schools.
13 Also very, very important to host an
14 Internet forum to link parents, teachers,
15 grants, proposals, and the education community.
16 And it was a chance to learn to model innovative
17 programs on the Internet.
18 Finally, part of the goals were to provide
19 a venue on the Web in which the general public
20 and the companies could register to support
21 schools on an ongoing basis.
22 It's also interesting to note that almost
23 every school in Florida now has its own Web page
24 on the Internet through this program. And so
25 now teachers and community citizens can now
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1 communicate via the Internet on any area of
2 importance to their particular school.
3 And finally, created momentum for community
4 support on a continuing basis, and allowed for a
5 greater drive for connectivity to the outside
6 world.
7 So how did we go about putting the
8 foundation together that -- so that we could
9 accomplish NetDay?
10 We realized early on, based on what we
11 learned in California and some of the good and
12 bad things that happened there, and that we
13 wanted to start building a foundation, a very
14 strong foundation from the top down.
15 And we realized the only way to do that was
16 to have a true partnership and a true alliance
17 between business, government, and education
18 leaders. And what we needed from all of those
19 individual groups of folks were endorsements,
20 saying that NetDay is a good thing for our
21 state. We needed volunteerism support and
22 individuals to come out and help us get those
23 schools wired. And we also needed funding.
24 So we started at the top, and we came early
25 in August to meet with Governor Lawton Chiles
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1 and Commissioner Brogan, who very early on
2 bought into the concept of NetDay and said, yes,
3 we believe that this is good for our children,
4 we believe that this is good for the state.
5 And the Commissioner tells us that the
6 beauty of NetDay is that it doesn't have any
7 boundaries, and that it enhances all children
8 and all schools. And he's absolutely right.
9 So having the endorsement of the Governor
10 and the Education Commissioner allowed us to go
11 out into the public, statewide, and create an
12 organization that would allow us to pull
13 together a team of people so that we could serve
14 the broadest community and the greatest number
15 of children.
16 The NetDay organizing team is truly a
17 composite of the folks at our company,
18 Intermedia Communications, in conjunction with
19 Bill Schmid and all the people at FIRN; and in
20 addition, to working very, very closely with
21 many, many folks at the Department of Education.
22 Together we worked with all 67 counties and
23 the district superintendents and the key
24 district contacts in those counties. We worked
25 through the education foundations, which are
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1 those bodies that currently have the
2 relationships with business and the educational
3 institutions. And we began to embark on a
4 process to get corporate partners who would
5 actually fund this endeavor.
6 Together we worked through site
7 administrators. And the site administrators are
8 principals and vice principals in each and every
9 school that wanted to participate. And those
10 site administrators helped us to develop school
11 organizers, helped to pool together
12 technicians.
13 And together, over 20,000 volunteers on a
14 single day ended up wiring approximately
15 1200 schools. So it was quite an outstanding
16 effort by the notion of creating team and
17 disbursing the opportunities for everyone to
18 participate.
19 When we first approached the
20 state of Florida in June of 1996 to understand
21 where we were as a baseline we understood. And
22 the DOE was reporting at that time that
23 40 percent of the Florida public schools were
24 wired with some sort of wiring infrastructure,
25 and a balance of those schools which would be
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1 wired within three years with either retrofit
2 dollars or technology grants.
3 Enter NetDay. As we began to present the
4 opportunity, and officially launch NetDay in all
5 67 counties, we began to create awareness and
6 long lasting community involvement, and buy in
7 that we could actually make a difference on a
8 statewide basis.
9 So the goal was to initially wire or
10 address technology needs county by county so
11 that nobody was left out. And our initial
12 assessment allowed us to be able to target
13 1,000 to 1200 schools.
14 How the process actually came together was,
15 Victoria Zepp and myself traveled throughout the
16 state meeting with district, education, and
17 business leaders.
18 We then created a Web-based support and
19 information system. You can actually go into
20 the Internet and pull up not only the NetDay 96
21 home page, which is the national home page, but
22 you can actually come into Florida's home page
23 and get any school in the state of Florida, and
24 any school's Web page that you would like to, to
25 find out how many school -- how many kids are in
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1 their school, what's going on at their
2 respective school.
3 And we communicated with the schools and
4 with the district superintendents on an ongoing
5 basis through E-mail, teleconferences, satellite
6 broadcasts, and ongoing personal visits.
7 We then built a very sophisticated database
8 that allowed us to manage the project. And some
9 of those reports, which are far too detailed to
10 get into today, appear in your binders, your
11 NetDay binders, where we've actually provided
12 very specific data by county and by school for
13 your future reference.
14 We then helped to facilitate the purchase
15 of NetDay kits. NetDay kits were being donated
16 by corporate sponsors.
17 And on average, a NetDay kit would allow
18 for the following to occur within a school: For
19 five classrooms and a media center to be wired.
20 So there was a great deal of work to be done in
21 raising money so that wiring kits could be
22 donated to every school that wanted to
23 participate.
24 We helped to raise some of the funds to do
25 that. And then we targeted and matched the
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1 corporate partners to those schools that were in
2 need and that wanted to participate.
3 And this, if you will, is just a list of
4 corporate partners. I'm happy to say that there
5 are over 200 corporate partners that
6 participated in NetDay. This list goes on and
7 on and on, so we won't -- and we won't have time
8 to read them all.
9 But let me just suggest to you that they
10 come from virtually every industry segment,
11 tele cos, cables, electric companies,
12 manufacturing companies, distribution companies,
13 entertainment companies, restaurant chains,
14 professional sports teams, the military,
15 agricultural firms, the banking industry, the
16 insurance industry, the retail industry, the
17 educational industry; as well, computer
18 companies, technology firms, radio, television,
19 print firms, transportation companies, and the
20 list goes on and on and on.
21 So we were very, very proud of the
22 commitment of our corporations here in the state
23 of Florida, as well as individuals who chose to
24 donate to respective and individual schools on
25 their own.
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1 I think we have a very, very strong
2 business partnership here in Florida with
3 education, and it's one that has not been seen
4 duplicated like we've seen here in almost any
5 other state in the nation. So we really do have
6 something to be proud of.
7 In terms of what those partners were able
8 to contribute; in total, we were able to raise a
9 little over 8 million dollars. That's an
10 astounding figure, because it happened in
11 94 days.
12 We went from concept to almost
13 8 million dollars in 94 days. Where those
14 dollars came from were a number of sources,
15 mostly corporate donations, foundations, grants,
16 as well as caring individuals.
17 The major corporate sponsors, I would
18 suggest to you, were the phone companies
19 throughout the state of Florida, as well as
20 200 additional corporate sponsors; and as I
21 said, many foundations and grants.
22 But the most reassuring, I'm happy to say,
23 that break the mold, did participate in putting
24 back into the community some of the dollars for
25 NetDay.
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1 (Secretary Mortham exited the room.)
2 MS. SAMSON: So if you looked around the
3 state after NetDay on October 26th, what we saw
4 was that we had accomplished our initial
5 mission, and that we learned one very important
6 thing, that NetDay was not a day, but rather a
7 concept, and that NetDays will go on and on and
8 on until the job of wiring every school in every
9 classroom in the state of Florida is complete.
10 And then it will go on from there, because
11 hardware will be needed, and software will be
12 needed, and instructional technology, and
13 curriculum development, and teacher training and
14 student learning. And we are going to be here
15 to ensure that we can aid you all in the process
16 of having that happen for Florida's kids.
17 On October 26th, we were able to confirm
18 that over 20,000 volunteers wired more than
19 800 schools that afternoon. Since then,
20 approximately 300 additional schools have been
21 wired. And the DOE is now reporting that
22 70 percent of Florida public schools are wired,
23 along with hundreds of private schools.
24 Our goal is to get our hands around as many
25 other private schools as we can.
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1 Well, what does that mean, what will the
2 ripple effect of NetDay 96 be?
3 Certainly NetDay 96 has generated a great
4 deal of press coverage. There were over
5 120 print stories printed in various and sundry
6 newspapers across the state of Florida in
7 94 days. We had continuous statewide
8 television, radio exposure on all the major
9 networks and stations.
10 But more important than the print
11 awareness, the media awareness, was truly the
12 community awareness that NetDay created. And
13 perhaps most importantly, NetDay has created a
14 core of long-term support and involvement for
15 our schools.
16 We now have new corporate partners, new
17 mentors, new volunteers for our schools, and new
18 local leadership in our school system. And if
19 that's all we accomplished, and only one school
20 not wired, we've done a great thing, because
21 it's the new wealth and leadership, and the new
22 mentoring and the new volunteers that are really
23 going to carry our schools into the future.
24 So what's next for Florida school
25 children? We're going to have a little fun.
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1 And we're going to make sure they do, too.
2 We're going to make sure that they have fun in
3 learning.
4 So what's next is NetDay 2000. We will
5 officially be launching, along with
6 Commissioner Brogan at 1:00 o'clock, and
7 Bill Schmid at 1:00 o'clock today, NetDay 2000,
8 which is the initiative that's going to take us
9 from where we are today, into where we want to
10 be by the year 2000. And NetDay initiatives
11 will occur between now and then.
12 NetDay 2000 is intended to go beyond the
13 basic wiring infrastructure, and to assume a
14 greater role in helping communities develop
15 partnerships that help our educators and our
16 students reach their long-term goals.
17 The first NetDay -- or the next NetDay of
18 this new year will be NetDay 97, slated for
19 Saturday, April 19th, 1997. And on that day, we
20 intend to complete the inside wiring of every
21 public school in Florida.
22 I know that's -- it's a stretch, it seems
23 like a stretch, but we felt what we've already
24 done seemed like a bigger stretch. We've got a
25 model in place, we think we can get it done.
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1 We also know that it's very important to
2 impact the technology plans for independent
3 private schools as well. We're talking about a
4 public and private school initiative.
5 We will continue to stimulate and
6 facilitate community activism and a
7 collaboration, if necessary, to connect every
8 K through 12 classroom to the world, and focus
9 resources on schools and communities that are
10 underserved today.
11 The national NetDay goals are consistent
12 with our own. They're to identify, highlight,
13 and develop incentive and affinity programs to
14 assist educators in acquiring the necessary
15 tools for the future; to identify and develop
16 programs that highlight the resources,
17 opportunities, and practices that optimize the
18 Internet for our kids; encourage and participate
19 in discussions that evaluate the impact of
20 technology on education.
21 This is very important. What is the impact
22 of what we're doing going to be? I think it's
23 very important that we continue to report back
24 to you what the impact is of these initiatives,
25 and evaluate the impact of NetDay on schools,
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1 their communities, and their partners.
2 So we're going to now be building on even a
3 stronger foundation than we started with. I'm
4 here today to commit to you the resources at
5 Intermedia Communications so that we may, with
6 the Department of Education, and with FIRN,
7 continue to spearhead and underwrite the
8 organization and administration of NetDay 2000,
9 through the year 2000.
10 We will continue to attract additional
11 corporate partners, increase volunteerism and
12 community participation in our schools, and work
13 to bring new opportunities to each and every
14 district within the state of Florida.
15 What we need from you as partners in this
16 process --
17 Woops. We'll go back one.
18 (Secretary Mortham entered the room.)
19 MS. SAMSON: The most important page we
20 skipped by. So let me just briefly tell you
21 what we need from you in the process.
22 Well, what we've learned today is
23 technology is not a perfect thing. And as with
24 our presentation, so, too, will we have issues
25 with NetDay and other ongoing initiatives.
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1 What we need from you all is to ensure that
2 we can garner public endorsements and support of
3 NetDay 2000 by the Governor's office, by the
4 DOE, by FIRN, and to ensure that the state of
5 technology infrastructure is prepared to handle
6 the onslaught of traffic that is going to be
7 generated by Florida school children.
8 And we have every confidence that FIRN will
9 have the resources necessary to beef up the
10 network, if need be, to handle the onslaught of
11 traffic.
12 We also need you to consider creating a
13 long-term funding mechanism for matched funds,
14 or -- evaluating inclusion in existing matched
15 fund programs so that we continue to attract the
16 kinds of corporate giving that we're able to
17 attract today.
18 And we'd also like to ask you to encourage
19 other agencies and in the state in general, and
20 its various constituents to use your leverage
21 and influence to achieve, and to help achieve,
22 the NetDay 2000 goals for all our kids.
23 So thank you very much for indulging me
24 with some of these technical difficulties. It
25 truly has been -- I would have to say for me
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1 participating in NetDay, the most rewarding
2 program or opportunity that I have ever
3 participated in.
4 And I'd really just like to thank everyone
5 on the Cabinet, and everyone in the audience,
6 and everyone who participated in NetDay, those
7 20,000 people deep, because together is the only
8 way that we could have made this happen.
9 So thank you, Commissioner Brogan;
10 thank you, Bill.
11 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Thank you.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: We certainly want to
13 thank you and all the people in your group --
14 committee that worked on this. I think it is an
15 outstanding -- outstanding job for the state.
16 And it looks like, again, you have some very
17 comprehensive plans for the future.
18 What I think our task is -- and that's all
19 of our task -- I know your group is going to be
20 working, is how do we keep the momentum, how do
21 we keep this from being something that went up.
22 Because we all know that what we've done is the
23 start-up. Maybe we've laid some wire.
24 But now, you know, coming with the -- all
25 of the software, all of the training, all of the
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1 equipment, all of the things that are needed to
2 make this fulfill the dream that we have for it,
3 and to allow a true equalization of quality
4 education around the state -- the entire state,
5 which it -- it could give us that ability, is
6 even a more difficult task.
7 You've mentioned something about
8 cooperative or matching funding, a funding
9 source, and I guess that's really what I want to
10 get to.
11 Do we have any idea of what our needs will
12 be? We know the federal government will be
13 participating some.
14 But, you know, what our needs will be for,
15 say, state or state and private matching share
16 to carry this out, and do we have any sort of
17 timetable that we need X number of dollars for
18 this year, so much for the next year, so much to
19 get to 2000, where the goal, of course, is that
20 we have every school wired.
21 Goals are wonderful, and I'm all for it.
22 But there was a White House goal that was passed
23 a president ago that said, you know, by the year
24 2000, all of these things are going to be done.
25 And I think everybody knows that that goal will
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1 not be accomplished now, that there's no way of
2 getting there.
3 So we've laid this out. Do we have a plan
4 so at least we could require ourselves to say,
5 well, we knew what we had to do, we didn't do it
6 here, we didn't do it there. I think that would
7 be terribly important to motivate us and make us
8 go forward with this. And --
9 MS. SAMSON: I appreciate very much your
10 comments. And you make -- you ask a lot of
11 questions in the same -- same vein.
12 And so what I would like to suggest to you
13 is that much of the money that has been raised
14 in the year 1996 will take us through 1997.
15 Six million of the dollars of the eight
16 were contributed by Bell South. And that is for
17 the wiring of every school within their
18 district. And as you know, they cover a large
19 portion of the state, in addition to the
20 provision of services.
21 What we haven't yet begun to address is the
22 computers, and the peripheral devices, and the
23 wide area network kinds of equipment that we
24 will need to take a look at to determine what
25 the total costs for the state would look like.
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1 But we now have a basis, with the knowledge
2 and information that we've been able to garner,
3 to go back and comprehensively take that look.
4 And I know that Bill Schmid and FIRN also have a
5 great deal of information that we can
6 collaborate on to come up with a proposed budget
7 or plan that will allow us to know where we need
8 to go from here.
9 I do believe that we will be able to raise
10 the corporate dollars necessary to complete the
11 wiring of the schools that we're talking about.
12 The next steps though are questionable at
13 this time, because it is going to take a great
14 deal of money to get computers into the
15 classroom, and to bring those services to each
16 and every school.
17 I don't know if there's anything that you
18 would like to add, Bill.
19 MR. SCHMID: Sure.
20 What separates Florida from the other
21 states is because Florida has a statewide
22 educational network. All of those schools that
23 got wired in -- with NetDay 96 can now connect
24 themselves to the Florida Information Resource
25 Network at a very reduced cost. They don't have
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1 to shop for an Internet provider. That gets
2 very expensive.
3 The technology incentive dollars that were
4 appropriated this year -- I think it was
5 66 million, and I believe there's additional
6 funds in next year's budget -- some of those
7 dollars can be used for the connectivity issues
8 involved in connecting to FIRN and the
9 Internet.
10 But Barbara is right, we don't have a solid
11 figure that we can say, we need X amount of
12 dollars to make this happen by the year 2000.
13 And it's definitely something we need to work
14 at.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Thank you.
17 And, Governor, I'd just very quickly, at
18 the risk of being redundant, also want to thank
19 Barbara and Victoria, Intermedia, Bill Schmid,
20 and you, for your support of the NetDay
21 activities.
22 It was very rewarding to see corporate
23 America and volunteer America step up to the
24 plate and try to help fill a void that we all
25 across our country face in providing appropriate
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1 technology for children.
2 And while wiring is not as sexy as the
3 bells and whistles that come with computers and
4 software, without it, all we're left with is a
5 three pronged plug to nowhere. And that's why
6 it's essential that we're now able to see more
7 hardware and software placed in schools, where
8 once we couldn't. But it's a beginning.
9 And you're right, we've got far to go by
10 the year 2000. And like you, I feel a great
11 deal of -- of loss at the fact that we're still
12 going to be so far away from so many of those
13 national goals by the year 2000.
14 And I agree with you, that it's time to
15 act, and appreciate your cooperation and your
16 assistance again. Hope we can count on it in
17 the future, and I'm sure we can.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, I will look forward
19 to the report that you come up with, which
20 I think we need, to track the critical path that
21 shows us the dates and times and needs.
22 I think it might also somehow be important
23 if we could start keeping a scorecard of where
24 every school is in regard to this. And just
25 like we're having that scorecard now on the
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1 schools that are accomplishing, and those that
2 are not, you know, a part of that -- or some
3 scorecard ought to be, where is every school so
4 we can see.
5 It's kind of like that thermometer of the
6 United Way or something --
7 MS. SAMSON: Uh-hum.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- I want the people to
9 see. I think all of us need to see --
10 MS. SAMSON: Uh-hum.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- are we really going
12 forward, because I think a lot of us almost tend
13 to think, well, we've had that day, we're going
14 to wire everything up.
15 But we know that that's the -- the tip of
16 what we need to do here.
17 MS. SAMSON: Absolutely. And here is a
18 portion of the scorecard. We will be happy to
19 provide --
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Terrific.
21 MS. SAMSON: -- more. This is -- this will
22 give you an update county by county as to the
23 number of schools --
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good.
25 MS. SAMSON: -- every county, and the
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1 number of schools that were wired in each
2 county. And what their future plans for wiring
3 the balance are.
4 So we think we have a pretty good handle.
5 And as Bill said, it's a start. But we really
6 think we know where we can go from here.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good. Thank you.
8 MS. SAMSON: Thank you.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Get a picture of the
10 Cabinet and the ladies and --
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Pardon?
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Get a picture of the
13 Cabinet and the ladies and --
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Oh. Would y'all come
15 up? We'd like to get a picture --
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Would you and Bill
17 and Victoria come up for a quick --
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Photo opportunity here.
19 (Discussion off the record.)
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
21 MR. PIERSON: Our Item 4 is the annual
22 recommendation required by statute on fees and
23 adult vocational job preparation and vocational
24 supplemental programs.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval,
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1 Governor.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
4 Without objection, it's approved.
5 (Treasurer Nelson exited the room.)
6 MR. PIERSON: Item 5 is an amendment to
7 State Board Rule 6A-1.0453 on Educational
8 Program Audits.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
10 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 MR. PIERSON: Item 6 is a new rule,
14 6A-6.078, procedures for appealing a district
15 School Board decision denying application for a
16 charter school.
17 You have in your agenda packet information
18 on two amendments of this rule, and
19 correspondence from JAPC concerning the rule.
20 And Mr. Mike Olenick, our general counsel,
21 is available if you have questions.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, I'd like to
23 move the rule as amended as you've got in your
24 information there.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right.
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1 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved as amended, and
3 seconded.
4 Without objection, it's approved.
5 MR. PIERSON: Items 7 and 8 are rules of
6 the Florida School for the Deaf and Blind.
7 And President Dawson is in the audience if
8 you have questions.
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, they're approved.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And by the way,
14 Governor, that was Items 7 and 8.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I apologize.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Both of them.
18 MR. PIERSON: Item 9 is an amendment to
19 tenure and permanent status rule,
20 State University System, Rule 6C-5.940.
21 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
22 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
24 Without objection, that's approved.
25 MR. PIERSON: Item 10 is Florida Board of
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1 Regents request approval to exercise the right
2 of eminent domain.
3 And Lou Murray from Florida A&M,
4 Gregg Gleason from the General Counsel of the
5 Board of Regents, and Bob Scanlan from the
6 Attorney General's Office are available.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 MR. PIERSON: Item 11, reappointments to
12 the Florida Board of Regents.
13 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
14 Let the record reflect that is Jon Moyle
15 and Jim Heekin reappointed to the Florida
16 Board of Regents.
17 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MR. PIERSON: Item 12, reappointments to
21 the State Board of Community Colleges.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And let the record
23 reflect that's John Belohlavek and George Platt
24 reappointed to the State Board of Regents -- or
25 Community Colleges, excuse me.
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1 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, it's approved.
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Governor --
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- I'd like to request
7 on Item 9 that Chancellor Reed gives us a
8 statement as to how this rule will affect in any
9 way anything that really happens at the
10 State University level. Just a report.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Fine.
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Thank you.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Let the record reflect
14 that.
15 MR. PIERSON: Thank you.
16 (The State Board of Education Agenda was
17 concluded.)
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES:
2 Administration Commission.
3 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 1, recommend
4 approval of the minutes of the meeting held
5 November 19th, 1996.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, they're approved.
10 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 2 has two parts.
11 Part 1 is recommend approval by the State
12 Council on Competitive Government of the
13 following state services for competitive
14 bidding: State vehicle maintenance and
15 tracking, and computer-based scheduling and test
16 administration.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, that's approved.
21 DR. BRADLEY: The second part was that --
22 final action on the following State services are
23 not recommended for competitive bidding:
24 Aircraft operations and maintenance, and
25 professional facility inspections.
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1 (Treasurer Nelson entered the room.)
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: I move approval of that
3 as well.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and
6 seconded.
7 Without objection, it's approved.
8 DR. BRADLEY: All right. Item number 3,
9 recommend the approval for authorization to
10 establish four positions in excess of the number
11 fixed by the Legislature in the Department of
12 Community Affairs.
13 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
17 Without objection, it's approved.
18 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 4, recommend the
19 approval of the transfer of general revenue
20 appropriations in the Department of Education.
21 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
23 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 5, recommend the
2 approval to establish four positions in excess
3 of the number fixed by the Legislature in the
4 Department of Elder Affairs.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, that's approved.
10 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 6 is recommend
11 the approval of the transfer of general revenue
12 appropriation under Items A, B, and C in the
13 Department of Children and Family Services.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, I'll move
15 approval of Items 6 A, B, and C.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
18 Without objection, that's approved.
19 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 7, recommend
20 approval to establish one position in excess of
21 the number fixed by the Legislature in the
22 Department of Juvenile Justice.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
24 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
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1 Without objection, it's approved.
2 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 8, recommend
3 approval of the transfer of 20,000 general
4 revenue appropriations in the Department of
5 Labor and Employment Security.
6 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
7 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, it's approved.
10 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 9 is recommend
11 approval of Items A and B in the Department of
12 Management Services.
13 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved.
15 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Do you want
16 to second it, Bill?
17 TREASURER NELSON: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 DR. BRADLEY: That's all for the
21 Administration Commission, Governor.
22 (The Administration Commission Agenda was
23 concluded.)
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Florida Land and Water
2 Adjudicatory Commission.
3 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 1 is request
4 approval of the minutes of November 19th, 1996,
5 Commission meeting.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 2 is request
12 acceptance of the December 31st, 1996, report on
13 the status of Save our Everglades Program.
14 Estus Whitfield is here to -- questions or an
15 overview of the new findings in the report.
16 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion to
17 accept.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved --
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- motion to accept, and
21 seconded.
22 Without objection, that's approved.
23 DR. BRADLEY: Do you want to hear from
24 Estus?
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, we'll be glad to
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1 have a little status report if he could give it
2 to us.
3 MR. WHITFIELD: Thank you, Governor,
4 members of the Cabinet. I'll be real brief.
5 The highlights of the Everglades
6 restoration activities over the last four to
7 six months are principally the federal
8 government Congress has now enacted the South
9 Florida Ecosystem Restoration Act --
10 (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
11 MR. WHITFIELD: -- and that was signed by
12 the President. It should seriously expedite the
13 Corps of Engineers' work toward the restudy of
14 the central and southern Florida project, and
15 which basic goal is to implement the restoration
16 of the Everglades.
17 One very important feature of that Act --
18 two very important features. One is it
19 authorizes a 50 percent cost sharing between the
20 State and the Corps of Engineers for all
21 activities, including land acquisition, relative
22 to the restoration of the Everglades.
23 It authorizes the Corps of Engineers to
24 construct the first of the storm water treatment
25 areas, which are essential to the Everglades
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1 Forever Act --
2 (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
3 MR. WHITFIELD: -- as well as the federal
4 act for restoring the Everglades.
5 It creates a state/federal task force,
6 which will have significant powers to urge the
7 Corps of Engineers forward, and the restudy and
8 restoration of the Everglades. And the state of
9 Florida will get five members. The Governor
10 appoints five members to that task force.
11 The -- each Indian tribe gets one member,
12 and the federal government gets six members. So
13 it'll be six Feds, five state, and -- and the
14 two native American tribes.
15 The -- the Arizona/Florida land exchange,
16 which will bring 108,000 acres of Collier
17 property into public ownership, which will
18 largely be an addition to the Big Cypress
19 National Preserve, will be approved and
20 consummated on December the 18th of this year.
21 So that's a process that's been going on for
22 over ten years, and it appears to be on the
23 brink of approval.
24 The 1996 Federal Farm Bill, which
25 authorized 200 million dollars of federal money
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1 to be spent on Everglades restoration activities
2 is very near coming to fruition -- fruition in
3 the sense that the state and the
4 Water Management District have some projects
5 that are pending approval by the Department of
6 Interior, which will draw down on that
7 200 million dollars.
8 As everybody knows by now, the -- the
9 Amendment 4, penny a pound sugar fee, did not
10 pass. Amendment 5 and Amendment 6 did pass.
11 Amendment 5 basically says polluters must
12 pay. That issue is going to be discussed by the
13 South Florida Water Management District at a
14 workshop tomorrow. And the -- the ultimate
15 determination as to the effect of Amendment 5
16 will probably be weeks, months, or possibly
17 years in the making.
18 So it's kind of a general overview. We
19 think that Everglades is -- restoration is
20 moving forward.
21 Thank you.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
23 (The Florida Land and Water Adjudicatory
24 Commission Agenda was concluded.)
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Board of Trustees.
2 (Commissioner Brogan exited the room.)
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Let's take up -- let's do
4 Marine Fisheries first. We can probably do it
5 quickly.
6 DR. NELSON: Good morning. Item A on the
7 agenda would be the minutes from
8 September 10th.
9 Recommend approval.
10 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
12 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
14 Without objection, they're approved.
15 DR. NELSON: Item B are amendments to 46-4,
16 the gear rule regarding cast nets and
17 rebreathers.
18 Recommend approval.
19 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
20 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
22 Without objection, it's approved.
23 DR. NELSON: Item C conforms our current
24 state Gulf-Atlantic king mackerel commercial
25 trip limits to new federal limits.
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1 Recommend approval.
2 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
3 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, Item C is approved.
6 DR. NELSON: And similarly, Item D confirms
7 our Atlantic king mackerel commercial limits to
8 the new federal limits.
9 And we recommend approval.
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
11 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
13 Without objection, Item D is approved.
14 DR. NELSON: Item E are some minor changes
15 to the flounder and sheepshead management plans.
16 Recommend approval.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
19 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
21 Without objection, it's approved.
22 DR. NELSON: And then, finally, Item F
23 establishes the State's first shad and river
24 herring management plan.
25 We recommend approval.
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1 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
2 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
4 Without objection, that's approved.
5 DR. NELSON: Thank you.
6 (The Marine Fisheries Commission Agenda was
7 concluded.)
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. Trustees.
2 MS. WETHERELL: Item 1, minutes.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, minutes are approved.
6 MS. WETHERELL: Item 2 is an option
7 agreement for the Coupon Bight CARL project.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
9 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MS. WETHERELL: Item 3 is an option
13 agreement for Watermelon Pond CARL project,
14 designation of Department of Agriculture as
15 managing agency, and the management policy
16 statement.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 MS. WETHERELL: Item 4 is an option --
22 (Commissioner Brogan entered the room.)
23 MS. WETHERELL: -- agreement for the
24 Pineland site CARL project designation of the
25 Florida Museum of Natural History as the
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1 managing agency, and the management policy
2 statement.
3 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, that's approved.
7 MS. WETHERELL: Item 5 is acquisition with
8 Southwest Florida Water Management District for
9 the Jordan Ranch CARL project, designation of
10 Department of Agriculture as managing agency,
11 and the management policy statement.
12 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
13 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
15 Without objection, it's approved.
16 MS. WETHERELL: Item 6 is an option
17 agreement for the Florida First Magnitude
18 Springs CARL project.
19 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
22 Without objection, it's approved.
23 MS. WETHERELL: Item 7 is an option
24 agreement for the Wekiva-Ocala Greenway CARL
25 project and a --
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1 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
2 MS. WETHERELL: -- waiver of survey.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
6 Without objection, it's approved.
7 MS. WETHERELL: Item 8 is a purchase
8 agreement for Florida International University.
9 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Motion.
10 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
12 Without objection, it's approved.
13 MS. WETHERELL: Item 9 is a purchase
14 agreement for the Fifth District Court of
15 Appeal.
16 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
17 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
19 Without objection, it's approved.
20 MS. WETHERELL: Item 10 is an option
21 agreement for the Bulow Plantation Recreation
22 Parks Addition.
23 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
24 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
25 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, it's approved.
4 MS. WETHERELL: Item 11 is four option
5 agreements for recreation parks addition for
6 River Rise, waiver of survey.
7 And because this is a -- an unusual item
8 for us to be requesting approval, for a purchase
9 price that is higher than the approved value, I
10 would ask that you allow Fran Mainella, the
11 Division Director, to explain to you why it's in
12 the public interest to do so.
13 And then we have three people who have
14 traveled here today to address you.
15 Fran.
16 MS. MAINELLA: Good morning, Governor,
17 members of the Cabinet.
18 As your State Park Director, I come to you
19 very infrequently to ever ask to go above
20 100 percent. In fact, this is the only time
21 that I've ever known we've come -- have asked
22 you to do this.
23 And the reason is because as the State Park
24 Director, and as the keeper of your lands for
25 State parks, this is an important issue as it
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1 relates to the management of River Rise State
2 Preserve.
3 It is, in this case, 160-acre section that
4 is completely surrounded by the State Preserve.
5 Many times in our Additions and Inholdings
6 program, we acquire properties, or rarely stick
7 to the 100 percent level, because they may be
8 off to the side, they may not be completely
9 surrounded, and certainly not such an important
10 management area as this is, particularly because
11 it's a preserve, not even a State recreation
12 area or a park. It's a -- one of the more
13 pristine areas called a preserve.
14 This area requires a great deal of burning,
15 exotic plant removal than others. And that with
16 the 160-acre -- if we do not buy that 160 acres,
17 we are going to have a management problem.
18 Part of the acquisition at this point is
19 that it is as four 40 acre tracts.
20 In actuality, it is currently zoned for
21 sixteen 10-acre ranchettes. And that is right
22 now one of the popular acquisitions in the area.
23 Those particular -- if we were able to have
24 appraised it at that level, we would anticipate,
25 based off of current sales -- and I do have
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1 recent sales in that area of the 10-acre
2 ranchettes, that the price that's in front of
3 you would not even achieve 100 percent level.
4 It is over 100 percent level primarily
5 because it's in front of you as a 160-acre
6 section.
7 Right now, the sales that recently took
8 place in 1996 show it at $3600 an acre, or $3500
9 an acre. But what's in front of you is
10 thirty-two fifty per acre. So we are actually
11 below that price.
12 We are not able at this point to bring it
13 to you. If we do not get this approved, there
14 is an access -- they have requested an
15 easement. We would be coming back to you with
16 a -- to look at that easement being it's
17 completely surrounded by state park land.
18 Normally in our past, we have had to come with a
19 recommendation for that easement to be granted.
20 So we would probably be looking at a
21 possibility of these 10-acre ranchettes, rather
22 than the 160 acre tracts.
23 I can't guarantee that, but I wanted to
24 make sure that you understood why the pricing is
25 kind of where it's at today.
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1 We also have with us the Friends of O'Leno,
2 which this park is all part of -- joins together
3 into a geopark. They are very -- they feel it's
4 very important that we acquire this. They have
5 donated their time and built a horse barn, they
6 have put in trails.
7 Right now, where we're talking about with
8 this out, we will end up, if we don't purchase
9 it, their trails and everything will be running
10 right around a subdivision or a possible housing
11 area.
12 I would like to at this point be able to
13 bring forth to you Bill Whitley from our
14 citizens support organization to speak to you.
15 I did want to mention to you that this park
16 is so important to us that if Additions and
17 Inholdings did have the power of eminent domain,
18 it would be something we would be considering at
19 this point in time, rather than coming to you at
20 this point with just above 100 percent level.
21 I'd like to have Bill Whitley, if he could,
22 allow him to speak, and talk with -- from the
23 citizen point of view why this is important to
24 our citizens in this area, as well as to the
25 resources, and to the recreation opportunities.
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1 Bill.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Before she goes, can I
3 ask her a question, please, Governor?
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, ma'am.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: When you mentioned the
6 comparables --
7 MS. MAINELLA: Yes.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- are those
9 comparables -- do those comparables that you're
10 using have any infrastructure on them?
11 Because obviously this does not. Meaning
12 roads, water, telephone, electricity --
13 MS. MAINELLA: Some do and some don't. So
14 that would be a factor. So that would be --
15 that is a -- I know that prices that are -- on
16 the market now, and some again with and without
17 infrastructure are going up to the $5,000 per
18 acre level.
19 So that it's a possibility we may come back
20 to you if this is denied to try to buy 10-acre
21 ranchettes because it is so important to our
22 management.
23 Again, I wouldn't be here in front of you,
24 or ever ask you to be over 100 percent if I
25 didn't think it was critical to the management
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1 of this park. And you've helped us have such a
2 great state park system, one of the best in the
3 nation, that I just ask that we -- I know that
4 this is a tough decision, and I just
5 appreciate --
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: It is very, very tough.
7 MS. MAINELLA: I know it is.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: And we understand what
9 you're saying. But I wonder, you know, if the
10 price -- it's $130,000 per 40 acres. What if it
11 was $200,000? What if it was $180,000?
12 In other words, it's gone -- 88,000 is what
13 the highest appraisal we've got.
14 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: That's appraising it not
16 at -- you know, that's appraising it not at
17 agricultural land or recreational land. That's
18 appraising it, is it not, at 10-acre -- or at
19 ranchette prices?
20 MS. MAINELLA: The appraisals were -- and
21 I'd ask Pete Mallison to help me with that.
22 But my understanding, appraisal was done as
23 four 40-acre tracts. Not as the ranchettes.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, I -- you know, as
25 I think of 10-acre ranchettes, and who buys
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1 them, it is not usually people that are paying
2 $5,000 an acre for a 10-acre ranchette.
3 I hate to say it, but the people that are
4 paying four or five thousand dollars an acre
5 want a bigger tract. And they're able to
6 afford -- they've got so much money, they afford
7 that bigger tract.
8 Generally speaking, people that want a
9 10-acre ranchette, to my knowledge, aren't
10 paying that kind of money.
11 The decision -- we're the public
12 policymakers --
13 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- and we're getting
15 ready to set public policy with this sale. And
16 it sort of is a -- the precedent I'm afraid
17 we're --
18 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- setting is, no matter
20 what the heck the price is, if you want it, the
21 Park Service, and you desperately --
22 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- do, then we pay for
24 it. Now, this is why, in effect, you know, it's
25 sometimes wise to have eminent domain --
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1 MS. MAINELLA: I know.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- because then,
3 you know, you get a chance to sort of say, what
4 is the market value on this --
5 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- and what will be the
7 market value?
8 But, yes, they can sell it for 10-acre
9 ranchettes. But they do have to come for us for
10 the easement.
11 MS. MAINELLA: They do.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: That gives us some
13 authority about what the price of that easement
14 will be, what the restrictions of that easement
15 will be.
16 But at some stage, I don't think you just
17 say to people, no matter what you want to charge
18 for your property, we're going to pay it, when
19 it's this much out of line with the appraisal we
20 have.
21 You want to take this back and appraise it
22 at ranchettes --
23 MS. MAINELLA: Ranchettes.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- maybe that's something
25 to do.
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1 I am not about to vote for this today --
2 MS. MAINELLA: I understand.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- at this price.
4 Nothing -- I don't have any great knowledge
5 about the property. But I have some feeling
6 about the precedent that we're about to set.
7 And it's -- whatever it takes, if it's a piece
8 that we want, we are willing to do that. And
9 I'm afraid --
10 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- we've been through the
12 Greenways, through other things, we've been
13 taking some steps that time.
14 I think at some stage, we've got to say,
15 no, we do not do that. I think it will help you
16 in your negotiating stance.
17 And there are other properties that --
18 you know, we're a little bit like we've got some
19 dollars, we're in the market to buy some things,
20 we're not in the market to give away our money.
21 If you want to sell us something, or you're
22 willing to, and the price is halfway reasonable,
23 we'll talk with you. But not at just any
24 price.
25 Now, to these land owners, this may be a --
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1 they may consider it that they're giving us the
2 property. I don't know about that. But when I
3 just look at the appraised value and what we're
4 talking about giving, way too high.
5 MS. MAINELLA: I understand. I just wanted
6 to let you know why we were --
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, ma'am.
8 MS. MAINELLA: -- we were --
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: I -- and I understand
10 that --
11 MS. MAINELLA: We would never do that to
12 you, unless we felt it was absolut-- we needed
13 to make sure you knew --
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yeah.
15 MS. MAINELLA: -- where our -- where we're
16 coming from.
17 Could I have Bill Whitley speak to you?
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, ma'am.
19 MS. MAINELLA: Thank you.
20 Bill.
21 MR. WHITLEY: Thank you, Fran.
22 My name is Bill Whitley. It's an honor to
23 be before you, Governor, members of the
24 Cabinet.
25 I think, Governor, you've hit your -- your
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1 thumb right on exactly the obvious issue in this
2 thing is how much money should the State pay.
3 I would just -- and I'm not here as an
4 emissary from DEP. I'm a private citizen, I'm a
5 practicing attorney, and past president of the
6 friends of O'Leno Citizens Support
7 Organization.
8 We built a 20-stall horse barn just
9 immediately south there. It's a primitive camp
10 area, there's bathrooms and so forth. This was
11 all done by volunteer efforts. No taxpayer
12 expense whatsoever in this so that the
13 equestrians and other people who like to use
14 this area, mountain bikers, and that kind of
15 people, have a chance to use the facility.
16 There is a lot of public support for this.
17 And if you'd indulge me for just one second, we
18 have some members from the friends of O'Leno
19 that are here.
20 And would y'all stand up, the Friends of
21 O'Leno folks that are here about this.
22 These are all volunteers, citizens --
23 Thank you very much.
24 -- who have done things, Doyle Linderman
25 there, he's pounded a lot of nails in that barn
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1 and done a lot of work.
2 That doesn't mean by my suggestion that
3 the -- that you all should unwisely spend
4 taxpayer money. I agree with the Governor
5 entirely.
6 That had -- if this parcel was on the
7 outside edge, or not, of extreme importance --
8 and I submit to you, singular in its importance
9 to the park, then I would not recommend that you
10 spend the money on this.
11 And in -- and if I can respond very briefly
12 to you, Governor, with respect to the precedent
13 being set and so forth.
14 This is -- this would be a precedent set
15 for an inholding of great magnitude inside a
16 State Preserve. Now, to that extent, I think
17 it'll be a precedent. I don't think it's a
18 precedent with respect to any other holdings, or
19 any other general park areas. This is 160 acres
20 right in the center of the park.
21 If you will allow me just a very crude
22 homily of this, I would analogize this to being
23 a thorn in the paw of our State park.
24 And they all -- you know, I think they
25 ought to -- we ought to pay about 35 cents to
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1 pull that thorn out. They think they ought to
2 get 50 cents for it.
3 Now, in the big scheme of things, that's
4 important money.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Sometimes we've got to
6 let the thorn fester --
7 MR. WHITLEY: Yes, sir. I agree. And
8 sometimes it may fall out. But sometimes it
9 could turn gangrenous, and we don't want that to
10 happen either.
11 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Stop.
12 MR. WHITLEY: I've got to mix my metaphors
13 some more, you can't get anywhere.
14 The question is, will the State be better
15 off in the future by waiting and seeing what we
16 can do. It may be.
17 Let me also kind of switch gears on you
18 just a second and put on my other hat. I am the
19 Vice Chairman of the Columbia County Zoning
20 Board. And as such, I hear a lot of cases. And
21 we are very concerned in Columbia County with
22 jobs and growth and economic opportunity.
23 And as a citizen and a friend of O'Leno, I
24 have my heart there. I think you know how I
25 feel about that.
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1 When I put on my other hat, and I'm
2 standing over here with the zoning people, I'm
3 going to look at that land owner when they come
4 in and they ask and say, what can I do with my
5 land, I'm going to say, you pay taxes on it, you
6 have property rights in the state of Florida,
7 and you have the right to use your land.
8 And as long as it's reasonable and it's
9 within the law, our Zoning Board grants that
10 approval, which is what I think we should do.
11 Right now, as I understand the law, they
12 have the right to put on -- it's zoned
13 agricultural land. They have the right to put
14 on one dwelling unit every 5 acres. So that
15 means they could put a legal maximum of 32.
16 They also have a little caveat in our law
17 locally there. It says if you've got a friend
18 or a relative, your mama, your grandmama's sick,
19 you can put a trailer out there, too, on your
20 5 acres.
21 So, you know, if you really wanted to
22 stretch this thing, we could have a total right
23 now, without any zoning change, of 64, you know,
24 houses or trailers or whatever is going to be
25 out there.
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1 With respect to the access, I practice law,
2 but I don't claim to be a -- a property lawyer
3 of any renowned. But I can tell you, they do
4 have an existing easement that they do use
5 there. I think it's a common law easement.
6 And, of course, as you know, Governor, they
7 have the right to go to court and impress an
8 easement if that's their choice, either by
9 declaratory action, or by other means.
10 So they're going to have access to it. You
11 can't keep them off. The question is, do they
12 want to develop it; are we going to be better
13 off if they do, in fact, sell these lots off to
14 other folks; and then we come back here trying
15 to buy them later.
16 So I would submit to you that it is a hard
17 question, it's a real difficult one to do. But
18 I'd ask you to seriously consider pulling that
19 thorn out at this point, because I think that
20 it's really not going to come out by itself, but
21 it's just going to get worse.
22 Thank you very much.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
24 MS. WETHERELL: Governor, we have two other
25 people who had requested to speak: Paul Milner,
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1 whose also Friends of O'Leno; and then
2 Judy Hancock from Florida Sierra.
3 MR. MILNER: Good morning.
4 I live about a mile from the property we're
5 talking about. And you're absolutely right,
6 it's entirely too much money.
7 I'd heard this story eight, nine years
8 ago. They were going to hold up somebody to get
9 a lot of money for that property. It was a hunt
10 club, a friend of mine, his son was a member of
11 the club for awhile.
12 We need it for the park, we need it for the
13 State, we need it for the area. Frankly, I'm
14 not talking -- I don't want to pay that kind of
15 money for it. If we have an opportunity to go
16 back and get it, I say we go full board, or go
17 back and negotiate with them.
18 It's -- the property has gone high around
19 there. I've owned property for twenty some
20 years out there. One time it was $2200 an
21 acre. Now it's -- where I live, it's up to
22 5,000 an acre. And that's a mile from there.
23 But as far as us laying out money right
24 now, I think y'all ought to look long and hard
25 at it, because I know we are, and we're the
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1 volunteers and we do love that place. We put in
2 a lot of time and effort, and so does many other
3 people.
4 But we've got to look at the costs. And
5 you're right.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you.
7 MR. MILNER: Thank you very much.
8 Merry Christmas.
9 MS. HANCOCK: I was going to say good
10 morning, but it's too late for that.
11 Judy Hancock is here representing several
12 groups who support this proposal: The Florida
13 Chapter, Sierra Club; and Four Rivers Audubon,
14 the local group. But also I'm here as a
15 resident of Columbia County.
16 We and myself would like to express strong,
17 unequivocal support for the staff recommendation
18 to acquire the four parcels of 160 acres in
19 River Rise State Preserve. The River Rise
20 O'Leno State Park Complex, and Ichetucknee, some
21 short distance away, are jewels in the rapidly
22 developing landscape of Columbia County.
23 The south part of the county especially is
24 experiencing phenomenal growth. Rampant growth
25 would not be an overstatement.
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1 In the last several years, the escalation
2 has been awesome. Almost unbelievable. And
3 very worrisome to those of us who care about the
4 incredible natural areas that really are the
5 foundation of Columbia County and north
6 Florida. These areas, the ones that are not in
7 public ownership and protection, are rapidly
8 disappearing.
9 And this is occurring even in the Lake City
10 limits, where I live, in the last couple years.
11 It's pretty -- it's pretty disturbing on how
12 much of the natural area is gone.
13 There is no doubt that this 160 acres would
14 also be developed. Ten-acre ranchettes in the
15 middle of a State preserve would be very
16 attractive and would not last long in the
17 market.
18 What a blow this would be to the management
19 and the integrity of the preserve. Management
20 costs would increase, and any future acquisition
21 efforts by the State of this 160 parcel would be
22 facing higher per acre costs, and perhaps
23 reluctance by property owners to sell these
24 tracts to the State.
25 Acquiring these sites now will save money
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1 in the long run, and will protect the fine
2 resource values of the preserve, values that are
3 of significant importance to Columbia Countians,
4 and to our visitors.
5 We, and I, hope very much that you will
6 take the step now to protect River Rise State
7 Preserve, and our natural resource investment in
8 this preserve, and approve the staff
9 recommendation to acquire these tracts.
10 For myself, my children, and my two and
11 four year old grandchildren, thank you.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, Judy.
13 MS. WETHERELL: That concludes the
14 speakers.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. How long have
16 we had the O'Leno State Park, and what is the
17 size of it now?
18 MS. MAINELLA: O'Leno is -- O'Leno and
19 River Rise together are 6500 acres.
20 How long have we had it, Al?
21 MR. GREGORY: We started buying land in
22 River Rise in 1974.
23 MS. MAINELLA: We started buying land in
24 1974 at River Rise. We did in 1984 work to try
25 to do an exchange with these current land owners
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1 and other techniques to try to avoid to ever
2 come to you at 100 -- over 100 percent.
3 So we have tried all the other options that
4 we knew, and again, because we don't have
5 eminent domain in the additions and inholdings
6 program --
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Uh-hum.
8 MS. MAINELLA: -- we just knew out of good
9 conscience we needed to come to you and bring it
10 to you.
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: Well, I know you've
12 worked hard on it. And if, you know, we're
13 talking about 6500 acres, and we're talking
14 about something that we started acquiring in
15 1974 -- there was some kind of an O'Leno Park
16 before 1974, as I recall, because my family
17 reunion was always held at the --
18 MS. MAINELLA: Right.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- O'Leno State Park, and
20 it went back long before 1974.
21 And I -- you know, we have survived till
22 now without the 160 acres. With the rest of the
23 land around it. It is there.
24 And I would just say to Judy and the
25 other -- the folks that are here, we sit as the
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1 Trustees of a big pot of money that the people
2 of Florida have voted in P2000 to acquire some
3 of these lands.
4 And, therefore, we have to look at
5 decisions that we make and how they affect that
6 pot of money, in effect. And the ability to
7 retain critical land that's for the State of
8 Florida.
9 So while there is always strong feelings
10 for a parcel, whether it's a piece of the
11 Greenway, or a piece of a park, or anything
12 else, in a local area, if we listen to that in
13 every instance, we would just pay whatever the
14 demand was in every instance.
15 And it would be -- wouldn't be long, that
16 pot of money would be gone. And we would have
17 acquired some land, but perhaps not, you know,
18 what we should be looking at as the steward of
19 this project and the state of Florida.
20 And that is the reason that I have great
21 qualms about that. Just looking at the numbers,
22 the 88,000, and then what this goes up to,
23 120,000.
24 Now, maybe someone can show me differently,
25 or maybe it can be looked at in a different
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1 appraisal. But I just personally fear the
2 precedent.
3 TREASURER NELSON: I'd like to know,
4 Madam Secretary, do you have an idea the
5 historical precedence that -- where the Cabinet
6 in the past might have exceeded the -- the
7 appraisal value?
8 MS. WETHERELL: It's funny that you ask --
9 I asked Pete Mallison that question. I've been
10 with the Agency for eight years, and I didn't
11 recall any. But Pete said there was one
12 instance --
13 And, Pete, if you want to relay that one
14 instance.
15 -- in the years past that he can recall
16 that we've ever done that.
17 Pete.
18 TREASURER NELSON: Only one incidence --
19 MS. WETHERELL: Yes.
20 TREASURER NELSON: -- in acquiring all of
21 the recreation and --
22 MR. MALLISON: The Secretary was asking me
23 about the inholdings. And the only one that
24 came to mind at the time was a John U. Lloyd
25 State Park inholding that was in lieu of
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1 eminent domain.
2 And as I was thinking about it, we have, in
3 some of those instances in which we have had
4 eminent domain authority, North Key Largo,
5 Topsail Hill, for example, we have ended up
6 rather than going through the eminent domain,
7 coming to some kind of an agreement with the
8 landowner on a number that we felt that we could
9 justify in lieu of eminent domain that was
10 certainly in excess of the appraised value. So
11 there have been those kinds of situations.
12 The only real acquisition in excess of the
13 statutory number that I really remember goes
14 back a long time. And that also was in North
15 Key Largo with the Gong tract, at I think about
16 120 percent of the value. But that was probably
17 eight years ago, or something like that.
18 TREASURER NELSON: Where there has been the
19 threat of eminent domain, has it been frequent
20 that you have exceeded the appraised value?
21 MR. MALLISON: No, sir.
22 TREASURER NELSON: When you reached
23 resolution before going into the eminent domain
24 proceeding?
25 MR. MALLISON: Typically, if we can reach
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1 accommodation with the landowner at the
2 appraised value, we never get to the
3 eminent domain part.
4 So it's only, for example, in North
5 Key Largo where we had spent years and years
6 trying to acquire under voluntary means the land
7 that was there, and it was only when we had
8 really exhausted that process that we requested
9 eminent domain authority.
10 And then, of course, in the context of the
11 litigation, we would always reserve the ability
12 to settle those suits if we felt that the
13 settlement was something that was to our
14 benefit. And so we did settle a number of those
15 under those terms.
16 TREASURER NELSON: Thank you, Governor.
17 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, I think,
18 like many up here, I personally am never afraid
19 to break precedent, or even flirt with
20 precedent. I, from time to time, fear of
21 breaking the sound barrier of precedent.
22 And I think that in this particular case --
23 and I'm only giving you my perspective --
24 I think sometimes when people come to the
25 State Board and ask about a purchase that's
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1 being negotiated, knowing full well that the
2 people doing the negotiations are doing it as
3 best they can under the circumstances, that
4 sometimes no means no, we don't want the
5 property.
6 I think in this particular case, echoing
7 some of what the Governor mentioned, I think in
8 this particular case, yes, I want the property;
9 no, I don't want the property at this price.
10 Now, I hope that -- if that ends up being
11 the sentiment of my colleagues -- or at least
12 the majority of them, that what that will send
13 is a message to the seller, who I hope will stay
14 willing, to determine that if they do want to
15 sell it bad enough, even if we flirt with
16 precedent in the future, that it's something
17 that we potentially would like to have, but
18 we're just not willing to purchase at this
19 particular price.
20 So if it ends up being no, please
21 understand, at least from my perspective, it's
22 not, no, we don't want -- no, I don't want the
23 property. It's that, no, I don't want the
24 property at that price.
25 And I hope that that will put you back into
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1 a better negotiating position with the seller
2 and send a message to the seller that we'd like
3 to do business, but not at 150 percent of
4 appraisal.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Would it --
6 Governor, would it serve any purpose to defer
7 this and allow them to go back with a reference
8 to how the --
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: I have no objection --
10 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- Cabinet and --
11 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- to that.
12 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- Governor feel?
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: I -- you know, I --
14 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Don't think it'd
15 serve any purpose, or do you think it would
16 serve a purpose?
17 It did work somewhat with CSX, and -- and
18 got it down a little bit, certainly not as much
19 as I would have liked to have seen. But it did
20 have an impact.
21 MS. WETHERELL: Yeah.
22 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I mean, I think the
23 price is high. And it probably is out of line
24 for property, farmland in that part of the
25 country. But if it were rezoned, it probably
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1 isn't out of line.
2 I think we need to put a little pressure on
3 them. I'd --
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor --
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- rather not
6 deep-six it right now.
7 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Half of me wants to
8 defer it, and give them the opportunity to go
9 back and negotiate with an open-ended deferral;
10 the other half of me would love to slam the door
11 shut, as least as far as the seller is
12 concerned, and suggest through a negative vote,
13 if that's what it ends up being, that we are
14 absolutely not interested at that price,
15 continue negotiations.
16 But I'd be willing to --
17 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Well, sadly --
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- for deferral.
19 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- sadly, we
20 probably should have slammed the door on a
21 couple others, not necessarily this one.
22 I would make a motion, or move, Governor,
23 that we defer this and give them a chance to go
24 back and renegotiate and see if we can't do a
25 little bit better on this --
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1 MS. WETHERELL: Governor --
2 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I will second that,
3 Governor.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and
5 seconded we --
6 MS. WETHERELL: Governor, before you --
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- defer --
8 MS. WETHERELL: -- before you vote --
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes ma'am.
10 MS. WETHERELL: -- if you wouldn't object
11 to a withdrawal versus a deferral. Otherwise
12 it's going to keep coming back. And we need to
13 have time to -- if you want to send the
14 message --
15 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I will amend my
16 motion to have this item withdrawn at this time.
17 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And the second.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and
19 seconded that the item be withdrawn.
20 So many as favor, signify by saying aye.
21 THE CABINET: Aye.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Good luck.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- four, five --
25 MS. WETHERELL: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- six -- by a vote of
2 six-and-a-half to one.
3 MS. WETHERELL: Thank you for listening to
4 the argument. We appreciate it.
5 Item 12 is a purchase agreement for
6 Belle Meade CARL project.
7 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 MS. WETHERELL: Item 13 is assignment of an
12 option agreement for Lake Wales Ridge and a
13 waiver of survey.
14 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Motion.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
17 Without objection, it's approved.
18 MS. WETHERELL: Substitute Item 14 is the
19 assignment of an option agreement for Lake Wales
20 Ridge, and a waiver of survey.
21 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Motion.
22 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
24 Without objection, it's approved.
25 MS. WETHERELL: Item 15 is a modification
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1 of a deed restriction and conceptual approval of
2 a land exchange.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, it's approved.
7 MS. WETHERELL: Substitute Item 16, we're
8 recommending withdrawal. And for your
9 information, it seems that the team of agencies
10 who went out last Friday to see if they could
11 find an alternate site feel like they have found
12 a suitable county-owned site as a prison site in
13 Franklin County.
14 Recommending withdrawal, Governor.
15 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move withdrawal.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- withdrawal.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded on
18 withdrawal.
19 And without objection, it's approved.
20 MS. WETHERELL: And Substitute Item 17,
21 we're recommending deferral.
22 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MS. WETHERELL: That's concludes our
2 agenda.
3 Thank you.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, ma'am.
5 (The Board of Trustees of the Internal
6 Improvement Trust Fund Agenda was concluded.)
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5 COUNTY OF LEON:
6 I, LAURIE L. GILBERT, do hereby certify that
7 the foregoing proceedings were taken before me at the
8 time and place therein designated; that my shorthand
9 notes were thereafter translated; and the foregoing
10 pages numbered 1 through 117 are a true and correct
11 record of the aforesaid proceedings.
12 I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am not a relative,
13 employee, attorney or counsel of any of the parties,
14 nor relative or employee of such attorney or counsel,
15 or financially interested in the foregoing action.
16 DATED THIS 23RD day of DECEMBER, 1996.
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