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STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION
6 DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY & MOTOR VEHICLES
7 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION
8 BOARD OF TRUSTEES, INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND
ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
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10 The above agencies came to be heard before
THE FLORIDA CABINET, Honorable Governor Chiles
11 presiding, in the Cabinet Meeting Room, LL-03,
The Capitol, Tallahassee, Florida, on Thursday,
12 September 25, 1997, commencing at approximately
9:48 a.m.
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16 LAURIE L. GILBERT
Registered Professional Reporter
17 Certified Court Reporter
Certified Realtime Reporter
18 Notary Public in and for
the State of Florida at Large
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 Representing the Florida Cabinet:
3 LAWTON CHILES
Governor
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BOB CRAWFORD
5 Commissioner of Agriculture
6 BOB MILLIGAN
Comptroller
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SANDRA B. MORTHAM
8 Secretary of State
9 BOB BUTTERWORTH
Attorney General
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FRANK T. BROGAN
11 Commissioner of Education
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1 I N D E X
2 ITEM ACTION PAGE
3 STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION:
(Presented by Wayne V. Pierson,
4 Deputy Commissioner for Planning,
Budgeting, and Management)
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1 Approved 5
6 2 Approved 43
3 Withdrawn 43
7 4 Approved 44
8 DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS' AFFAIRS:
(Presented by Carlos L. Rainwater,
9 Executive Director)
10 1 Approved 45
2 Approved 46
11 3 Approved 47
12 DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY AND MOTOR VEHICLES:
(Presented by Fred O. Dickinson, III,
13 Executive Director)
14 1 Approved 49
2 Approved 49
15 3 Approved 50
4 Approved 52
16 5 Approved 53
17 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE:
(Presented by L.H. Fuchs,
18 Executive Director)
19 1 Approved 54
2 Approved 54
20 3 Approved 55
4 Deferred 55
21 5 Approved 55
6 Approved 56
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ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION:
4 (Presented by Robert B. Bradley, Ph.D.,
Secretary)
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1 Approved 57
6 2 Approved 57
3 Approved 58
7 4 Approved 58
5A and 5B Approved 58
8 6 Approved 59
9 BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE
INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT
10 TRUST FUND:
(Presented by Kirby B. Green, III,
11 Assistant Secretary)
12 1 Approved 60
2 Approved 60
13 3 Approved 60
4 Approved 60
14 5 Approved 61
6 Approved 61
15 7 Approved 61
8 Approved 62
16 9 Approved 62
Substitute 10
17 Parcel 79 Approved 73
Parcel 33 Approved 74
18 Parcel 205 Denied 74
Substitute 11 Approved 75
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ST. JOHN RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT:
20 (Presented by Kirby B. Green, III,
Assistant Secretary)
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1 Approved 76
22 2, 3, 4 Deferred 76
23 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 78
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 (The agenda items commenced at 10:16 a.m.)
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Now we'll go to the
4 agenda with the State Board of Education.
5 MR. PIERSON: Good morning. Wayne Pierson,
6 Deputy Commissioner.
7 Item 1 on the agenda is the minutes of the
8 meeting of August 12th, 19--
9 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
10 MR. PIERSON: --97.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
12 MR. PIERSON: Item 2 on the --
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
14 Without objection, the minutes are
15 approved.
16 MR. PIERSON: Item 2 on the agenda is the
17 1998-99 Legislative Budget Request for the
18 programs and functions under the general
19 supervision of State Board of Education.
20 The first presenter will be
21 Chancellor Reed, who will do the university
22 budget.
23 CHANCELLOR REED: Good morning. And
24 thank you for the --
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Good morning.
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1 CHANCELLOR REED: -- opportunity to discuss
2 briefly with you the State University System
3 budget for 1998-99.
4 The first chart, I hope everybody can see
5 that from far away, shows you that from 1997-98
6 to 98-99 budget, we're asking for an increase of
7 345 million dollars. That represents a
8 17 percent increase in the appropriated funds.
9 The Legislature this year appropriated
10 approximately two billion dollars of the State
11 University System's 4 billion dollar operating
12 budget. So as you can see, we receive
13 approximately 50 percent of our funds from the
14 Legislature through the appropriations process.
15 The 17 percent increase includes the State
16 general revenue support; the lottery support;
17 student fees; and what we call other, which are
18 some Federal funds from IFAS for providing
19 extension service, and some of the patient fee
20 revenue in our clinics.
21 I would like to highlight three issues for
22 you today that I think are critical for the
23 long-term success of the State University
24 System, and the future of our state.
25 The first issue that I want to raise is an
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1 issue of access or opportunity to get to go to
2 one of our ten universities in Florida.
3 This chart shows you a line that is going
4 almost straight up. If you look in the far
5 left-hand corner, in 1986-87, we had
6 approximately -- we had 85,000
7 full-time equivalent students in the university
8 system. I have said many times, I have never
9 met a full-time equivalent student. But that's
10 the way that we are funded.
11 The definition of a full-time equivalent
12 student is a student that takes 15 hours for the
13 two semesters, fall, spring; and 10 semester
14 hours in the summer. They're hard to find.
15 But that's the way we are funded.
16 But we have grown in this university system
17 in the last ten years by approximately
18 50 percent. We've grown by over
19 3,500 full-time equivalent students every year
20 for the last ten years.
21 This year, that red part gets a little bit
22 steeper even than what we have been doing. But
23 we're going to be going to the Legislature, and
24 ask for your support, to request for an
25 additional 6,000 full-time equivalent students.
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1 In our budget request in that 345 million
2 dollars, there's 63 million dollars of that is
3 just for new students.
4 The old head count way of doing that is
5 that'll be about 10,000 new students entering
6 next August to the State University System.
7 The current 130,000 that we have this year,
8 we have our record enrollment again in the State
9 University System, and a head count, we have
10 over 220,000 students in the university system
11 this year.
12 You might say, why do we need the
13 6,000 more full-time equivalent students, or
14 access for 10,000 students?
15 First, if you look back to 90-91, and back
16 from that, we had a relatively stable 12th grade
17 graduation rate, and we made significant
18 progress on giving some opportunities to young
19 people to come to the university system.
20 But beginning in 1995-96, and all the way
21 through 2006, the tidal wave is on the way in
22 Florida to post high school education.
23 The K through 12 system will be growing at
24 the 12th grade level from 89,000 graduates in
25 1996, to 135,000 graduates in the year 2008.
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1 Our universities will have to grow every
2 year just to keep pace as to where we are now.
3 And so we will have to add tens of thousands of
4 additional students.
5 I can't overemphasize the importance of
6 providing access and opportunity to the young
7 people of our state.
8 This is probably the single biggest
9 challenge to the State of Florida's education
10 system in the next ten years that we will have.
11 Our admission standards are too high. I
12 like to win all the prizes at the national
13 level. Florida A&M University, recognized as
14 the outstanding college of the year in 1997.
15 University of Florida and FSU rank fourth
16 and fifth in the number of national merit
17 scholar students and national achievement
18 scholar students. But we rank second only to
19 the University of California in how high our
20 admission standards are. And we are a public
21 institution paid for by thousands and thousands
22 of taxpayers.
23 Last week I was at the economic summit at
24 Cape Canaveral, the business leaders in Florida
25 were talking about the, quote, poor perception
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1 of education in our state. And I said that
2 perception was wrong, but it'll take time to
3 catch up with it.
4 On the other hand, what they were talking
5 about is our state ranking 45th of the 50 states
6 in the production of baccalaureate degrees that
7 we produce to go into our work force.
8 And they talked about the economic vitality
9 that demands an educated work force to compete
10 in a global economy.
11 So we know that there'll be increasing
12 demand. In the university system, we only take
13 16 percent of Florida's 12th grade graduates as
14 first time in college students. That's not very
15 high.
16 At that conference, they also talked about
17 the educational value added to those who are
18 fortunate enough to complete a baccalaureate
19 degree.
20 This chart shows what financial premium is
21 earned over a lifetime between those who get a
22 high school diploma, a community college A.A. or
23 A.S. degree, and a baccalaureate degree.
24 As you can see, those who reached a B.A. or
25 B.S. degree over their lifetime can earn a
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1 million four hundred and twenty-one thousand
2 dollars, versus eight hundred and twenty-one
3 thousand for a high school graduate.
4 So that access enrollment is important for
5 our state's economy, for the quality of life of
6 our citizens, and for the opportunity that they
7 should be provided.
8 The second issue that I'd like to share
9 with you that's in our budget is an issue that
10 highlights technology. Many of you read in the
11 newspaper today, and saw or heard on public
12 radio, that we joined in a partnership yesterday
13 with the British Open University, the largest
14 university using technology in the world. They
15 have over 200,000 students in the U.K. and
16 throughout the world. And we've joined in
17 partnership to use their technology, their
18 techniques in Florida.
19 But we have to do more to get our students
20 ready to use technology.
21 We are asking the Legislature to authorize
22 the implementation of a $50 per student per
23 semester fee. More than half of America's
24 public colleges and universities have fees to
25 put technology in place.
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1 It's been interesting to me that this $50
2 fee will actually save students money. We're
3 providing students access now to E-mail. But we
4 want to provide it -- students access to the
5 World Wide Web. And many of them are paying
6 America Online 25, 30, $40 a month, and we could
7 do it for $50 a semester, three or four months
8 at a time.
9 This fee'll raise approximately 17 million
10 dollars, and will allow us to put the hardware,
11 as well as the software, in place on our
12 campuses.
13 We've proposed this fee, and we have said
14 that the university presidents and the student
15 body leaders will develop the technology plans
16 for each of our ten campuses.
17 The third issue that I'd like to highlight
18 is faculty and university staff support
19 salaries. About 15 years ago, this State Board
20 of Education adopted a goal of reaching the
21 upper quartile in salaries for the university
22 system faculty and staff.
23 In 1985, we reached that upper quartile,
24 13th in the nation in what we were paying our
25 faculty and staff. But since then, we've
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1 literally fallen off the table. This year, we
2 rank in the mid 40s in competition.
3 We don't compete inside the state of
4 Florida for faculty members, we compete
5 nationally and worldwide for faculty members.
6 And so the level of our faculty salaries is
7 becoming a quality issue in the university
8 system.
9 So we're asking the Legislature to
10 appropriate 50 million dollars for incentive,
11 competitive, and performance based salaries.
12 As you might see here, the yellow line on
13 the left, and then it's broken out by professor,
14 associate, assistant, instructor, for the -- all
15 ranks for all the research universities, we're
16 more than $12,000 per faculty member behind the
17 national average.
18 And if you look at our other type
19 universities, the Central Floridas and the
20 West Floridas and the North Floridas, we're
21 about $10,000 competitively behind the rest of
22 the country.
23 So we ask that you support that.
24 Lastly, this is not just a problem in the
25 university system, but this is a problem in
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1 State Government; and that is, to hire the
2 support staff to be competitive for local
3 governments, business and industry, and the
4 other private sector.
5 As you can see, almost every classification
6 that we have in the university system is
7 significantly below what local governments and
8 private industry and business pay in our states.
9 So part of that 50 million dollars would be
10 used for that.
11 The university system has two other broad
12 goals that we have reflected in our budget. One
13 is to do everything that we can to build
14 partnerships with business and industry to help
15 with the private sector generation of high wage
16 jobs.
17 I participated recently in the I-4 corridor
18 effort in the Orlando area where we're trying to
19 attract some major chip making corporations to
20 come to our state.
21 Those are high wage jobs. That
22 corporation, as the Governor knows, is talking
23 about putting a seven-and-a-half billion dollar
24 investment in our state.
25 And our second goal, as reflected in our
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1 budget, is for the university system to assume a
2 greater share of the responsibility to help
3 improve our public schools.
4 We know that 90 percent of all the students
5 that come to the university system come from
6 Florida's public schools. So it behooves us to
7 do everything we can to make those public
8 schools as good as they can be.
9 We look forward to helping Florida solve
10 its critical problems, and we look forward to
11 giving young people an opportunity to go to
12 school in our state.
13 Governor, members of the State Board of
14 Education, I'll be glad to answer any questions
15 that you might have, and I ask you --
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Further questions?
17 CHANCELLOR REED: -- for your support for
18 that --
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: I've got a question.
20 Chancellor Reed, I couldn't see that one
21 graph up there. On the SUS -- the very last
22 graph, could you tell me what those numbers are
23 across the bottom on the --
24 That's the one.
25 CHANCELLOR REED: What we did is we did a
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1 salary survey throughout the state looking at
2 local government, private industry, and
3 business. And we said, for those who hire
4 maintenance mechanics, they're paying 29,231 on
5 the average; we're paying on the average
6 $21,000. Custodial workers, they're paying
7 18,997; we're paying 13,852. Coordinators of
8 student affairs, senior personnel
9 representatives.
10 We took probably about 50 classes of state
11 employees that we have, that are support
12 employees, and tried to compare their salaries
13 with others throughout the state.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. Did you compare
15 them to other State employees?
16 CHANCELLOR REED: Yes.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And what -- what
18 happened?
19 CHANCELLOR REED: Our -- our pay ranges are
20 essentially the same as other State employees.
21 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay.
22 CHANCELLOR REED: That's what I'm saying.
23 It's not just a university system problem, it's
24 a State government problem.
25 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And can you tell me now
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1 the -- the current percentage of subsidy that is
2 required for every student from the taxpayer.
3 CHANCELLOR REED: Approximately 75 percent
4 of the cost of a university education is paid by
5 the taxpayer, and 25 percent of the cost is paid
6 by the individual.
7 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. And what -- you
8 gave us some statistics, 45th, second. Where
9 are we in our graduation of students that
10 actually enter the doors of our State University
11 System that graduate.
12 CHANCELLOR REED: After six years,
13 approximately 65 percent of our students
14 graduate.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And if, in fact, those
16 numbers were increased to 85 percent, where
17 would we be in the range with other states, the
18 baccalaureate --
19 CHANCELLOR REED: We'd be --
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- degrees.
21 CHANCELLOR REED: -- at the top. We'd be
22 at --
23 SECRETARY MORTHAM: I mean --
24 CHANCELLOR REED: -- the top.
25 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- 65 percent --
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1 I mean, maybe I'm crazy, but, I mean, that seems
2 low to me.
3 CHANCELLOR REED: Well --
4 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Is it?
5 CHANCELLOR REED: No. We rank in the top
6 quartile in the production of getting students
7 through the university system.
8 SECRETARY MORTHAM: At 65 percent.
9 CHANCELLOR REED: At 65 percent. If we
10 were at 80 percent, we would lead the pack.
11 Now, the profile of students has changed
12 significantly over the last 20 years. Many of
13 us think of students -- that they all look like
14 FSU, FAMU, and University of Florida students.
15 They don't.
16 The seventeen to twenty-one year olds were
17 not the students that the university system grew
18 the last ten years. That enrollment increase
19 was urban students, the students who take 3 and
20 6, sometimes 9 hours; the returning mother that
21 decided to complete the degree; the person who
22 was downsized and had to come back, that can
23 only take one or two courses.
24 When you're only taking -- at commencement
25 this past May, I was there when a student came
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1 up and said, it has taken me 12 years, but I did
2 it 6 hours and 3 hours at a time, and I've
3 completed my degree.
4 The average age of our students in Florida
5 now is twenty-eight years old in the university
6 system.
7 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And last, do we at the
8 State University level do anything to track our
9 graduates to see how many actually get jobs, and
10 at -- in the same area that they actually were
11 trained, and at what level pay-wise?
12 CHANCELLOR REED: Yes, we do. That's
13 interesting information. All the universities
14 follow-up their students. They do it a little
15 differently. Some -- they don't do it every
16 year, some of them do it every two, every
17 three years. And we have some very interesting
18 information.
19 Those students who go to the professional
20 schools, like engineering, get a job right
21 away. We cannot produce enough engineers in
22 Florida right now. They're paying bounties to
23 get students -- to get hires, $2,000 at Boeing
24 if the student will come to work.
25 What we have found out is that those
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1 students tend to make more money, business
2 graduates, teacher education graduates, nursing
3 graduates, right away, than some of our other
4 students.
5 The students who graduate in the liberal
6 arts -- and there's been a lot of criticism --
7 they say they can't get a job, they're waiting
8 tables, whatever.
9 What we have found out in our data is if
10 you go out more than five years, eight years,
11 ten years, it's those graduates that are in the
12 senior management positions, and they have
13 passed the salaries that the professional school
14 graduates have made.
15 So the engineers tend to make it fast,
16 plateau; the arts and science students tend to
17 take a long time, and then their salaries
18 increase significantly.
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: And one more question.
20 On the $50 fee, not that we're going to be
21 debating any of these issues -- and I'm sure
22 you'll have lots of debate about it -- but are
23 you planning to put that access into
24 dormitories, are you looking at putting it on
25 the campus?
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1 I mean, obviously if I have a student that
2 has AOL or Netscape, they're having it right --
3 I mean, their individual access point in their
4 dormitory, for example --
5 CHANCELLOR REED: We're going to --
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- or at their
7 apartment.
8 CHANCELLOR REED: We're going to put it in
9 dormitories, student unions, classrooms. We're
10 going to have servers so that you can dial up
11 from your apartment, wherever you are, you can
12 dial into our servers, and they're going to
13 operate seven days a week, 24 hours a day.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Okay. Thank you.
15 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Governor --
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
17 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: -- just a --
18 I guess a comment and a question.
19 I think, obviously, you've presented a
20 number of challenges facing the university
21 system. To me the -- the one that reaches the
22 most crisis type proportions is the tidal wave
23 of new people coming in and the -- and the need
24 to increase the capacity.
25 That is -- that is -- I have been seeing
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1 that coming, and we're already at a capacity
2 problem, but now we're going into a capacity
3 crisis. Which --
4 And then as I look at the numbers you've
5 got up there, Chancellor, and the other
6 discussions I've been involved with about the
7 growth, it is really alarming of how this state
8 is going to meet those needs. I mean, I almost
9 can't see it, with all the other things
10 happening.
11 And I remember the discussion with -- at a
12 chamber meeting here in town, they were talking
13 about the need for more student housing and need
14 for more student services, which were
15 opportunities for business here in Tallahassee,
16 because they saw that the -- FSU was going to
17 have to increase its student enrollment by about
18 50 percent over the next ten years to meet the
19 capacity needs.
20 And I'm thinking, where are we going to get
21 the money? And that is going -- you know, I'm
22 glad that you're really getting everybody
23 focused on that, because it's not going to be
24 easy. And with everything else going on in this
25 state.
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1 But even right now, access to our
2 universities is just totally unacceptable, as
3 you mentioned, because the standards are
4 outrageously high for students coming out of
5 high school, simply because there's not the
6 seats available.
7 Have you -- have you calculated -- two
8 questions: One, I wanted to ask you about
9 tuition, and how it compares to other states in
10 Florida. Let me ask that first --
11 CHANCELLOR REED: We rank about 48th of the
12 50 states, so we stay right at the bottom in
13 tuition. So tuition is not a hindrance to
14 access for our students.
15 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: In fact, may be a
16 hindrance because it doesn't produce the -- help
17 relieve the capacity --
18 CHANCELLOR REED: It doesn't help produce
19 more professors, more sections, you know -- that
20 tuition is a two-edged sword. If -- if we had
21 more faculty, more sections, more offerings, we
22 might be able to get people out faster.
23 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: So it's -- that's
24 a -- that's a --
25 CHANCELLOR REED: We are considered the
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1 best deal in America as far as quality --
2 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: No question about
3 it.
4 CHANCELLOR REED: -- versus price.
5 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: No question about
6 that.
7 Let me ask you this, Charlie, have you
8 calculated the percentage -- I would say the
9 average percentage of increase you'll need over
10 the next ten to twelve years to meet the tidal
11 wave demands?
12 CHANCELLOR REED: We have. And in -- we
13 have recommended somewhere between a 6 and
14 10 percent increase in tuition over the next
15 ten years.
16 We have felt, and the Board has adopted the
17 policy, the business higher education
18 partnership in Florida led by Chuck Cobb of
19 Miami, has looked out over the next ten years,
20 and felt that Florida should move closer to the
21 national average of tuition, rather than being
22 at the bottom.
23 But also recognize that there need to be a
24 partnership. And that was that the general
25 citizens through the Legislature had to continue
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1 to fund universities --
2 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Right.
3 CHANCELLOR REED: -- that we in the
4 universities had to go out and raise our own
5 money. This past Friday night, the
6 University of Florida announced a 500 million
7 dollar capital campaign to do that.
8 And then lastly, to be more efficient and
9 productive in the university system. And we
10 have gotten in the last two or three years, some
11 pretty good productivity increases in our work
12 force.
13 So it's a partnership that has to be put
14 together.
15 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Thank you.
16 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you very much,
17 Chancellor.
18 CHANCELLOR REED: Thank you.
19 MR. PIERSON: Commissioner Brogan will
20 present the Department of Education and
21 Legislative Budget Request.
22 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Governor, members of
23 the State Board, there's a small chart there,
24 but --
25 (Commissioner Crawford exited the room.)
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- you have a copy in
2 front of you. If you're like me, I couldn't
3 read that on my best day, so we'll work off of
4 what we have in front of us.
5 I did a -- a lengthy presentation for the
6 Blue Ribbon Commission on much of the detail
7 included in the budget. You and your staff,
8 of course, have had the budget, and had the
9 opportunity to review it.
10 So what I'm going to do with you this
11 morning, much like the Chancellor, is simply hit
12 some of the highlights of the proposed budget,
13 and then certainly take any questions that you
14 all might have.
15 The budget increase that we are proposing
16 for 98-99 overall is a 668 million dollar
17 increase in public school funding. Within that
18 668 million, there, of course, lie a number of
19 initiatives that -- that we're excited about.
20 One, of course, is just to meet the needs
21 of growth. We're trying to do that in two
22 ways: One is a 230 million dollar increase, and
23 that is -- of that six sixty-eight, and that is
24 to simply accommodate the 55,000 new students
25 that we expect in Florida schools.
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1 And, two, as you know, we have asked the
2 Legislature --
3 (Commissioner Crawford entered the room.)
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- to consider more
5 than doubling the amount of State funding for
6 local school construction over the next
7 five years to generate approximately a
8 billion-and-a-half dollars to meet the
9 facilities end of that particular need.
10 We also are asking for 24 million dollars
11 increase in textbook and instructional
12 materials. And that would fully fund the
13 Florida Administrator of Instructional Materials
14 Association study, and take us to a total of
15 183 million dollars.
16 Remembering, we actually still have a foot
17 in both worlds; that is, printed material, and
18 that of technology.
19 Along that line, but not on the chart,
20 we're requesting 80 million dollars -- new
21 dollars -- again this year in the area of
22 technology to be distributed among the 67 school
23 districts who, in harmony with the Florida
24 Distance Learning Network, must develop a plan
25 as to how they would then appropriate those
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1 dollars within their own district. And that can
2 be not only for hardware and software, but also
3 the important issue of teacher training as well.
4 A 43 million dollar increase for teacher
5 training and professional development. And that
6 includes what's already available, and brings
7 the State to almost 75 million dollars really in
8 teacher training and retraining.
9 We're convinced that if we're going to help
10 our youngsters get to those 21st century
11 standards that this Board has -- has been so
12 proud of, we need to look at our present work
13 force, and make certain that they have the
14 21st century skills to help get them there.
15 So we're asking the Legislature for a
16 number of items in this particular area. One is
17 to put a satellite dish on every school in the
18 state of Florida. We believe that not only will
19 that provide greater opportunity and access to
20 students, but in terms of some of the major
21 staff development and training needs that are
22 necessary in every district, and virtually every
23 school in the state, through some purchased,
24 leased, or created staff development
25 opportunities, we'll be in a position to beam
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1 those out to teachers and administrators all
2 over Florida, who are very much in need of those
3 additional opportunities.
4 Couple of examples is technology. And some
5 basic technology training for teachers all over
6 the State, some higher and more advanced
7 technology training, but also issues such as
8 ESOL.
9 Since teachers all over the state are
10 dealing with the ESOL -- which is English for
11 Speakers of Other Languages -- requirement, we
12 know that some standardized, statewide training
13 would be helpful to our teachers in order to
14 meet that particular need.
15 We're also asking the State Legislature to
16 help us with -- overcome the greatest problem
17 that we face with teacher training and staff
18 development, and that's simply time on task.
19 And to that end, we're asking for almost
20 15 million dollars to provide what may be up to
21 four full additional days for teacher training
22 and retraining by providing some stipends, along
23 with the district's ability to reconfigure their
24 existing calendar, and set aside some days out
25 of their teacher work days, non-student days,
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1 specifically earmarked for staff development.
2 I think we all agree that while we are
3 continuing to pull teachers away from children,
4 because that's the only time we have available
5 for staff development, that is not the best case
6 scenario. Children need those teachers. And
7 we're asking the Legislature to assist in that
8 regard to make certain that we have some
9 additional time for that very important training
10 and retraining.
11 We're asking for a 20 million dollar
12 increase in the area of school recognition.
13 Last year the Legislature passed the new law
14 that will allow us to create a recognition
15 program so that any school in the state of
16 Florida ultimately, who can take their children
17 to higher levels of student achievement with new
18 and innovative practice, would have a sizable
19 recognition award granted to that school to be
20 used at the discretion of that school.
21 And we've talked about between 100 and
22 150 such schools in the state of Florida looking
23 at rewards of up to $100,000, which could then
24 be distributed among faculty, staff, school
25 advisory council, and placed back into the
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1 system.
2 Sixty-one million dollar increase in
3 dropout prevention funding. That would be also
4 tied to the new performance based funding
5 model.
6 Again, if we're going to help some of
7 Florida's most disadvantaged and disengaged
8 students get to those world class standards, we
9 believe that through a performance based funding
10 program, we can drive some increases through our
11 dropout prevention programs, and reward students
12 through higher student achievement levels.
13 Sixteen million dollars for reading
14 improvement initiatives. The Governor helped
15 champion a cause last year through the Reading
16 Recovery Program, which is in place now in a
17 number of districts around the state. We want
18 to continue to make those kinds of opportunities
19 available to districts who are looking for good,
20 solid, successful, and research based reading
21 initiatives to reach out to Florida's students.
22 Two million dollars for special assistance
23 for low performing schools. You're aware that
24 we are now in our third year of the critically
25 low performing schools program. Out of the
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1 original 158 schools identified, I believe
2 there's now some 25 to 30 of those schools in
3 the third year still remaining on the list.
4 If any of those schools are remaining on
5 that list into the fourth year, as is a part of
6 the program, we may be coming to the State Board
7 of Education with some required action.
8 The dollars that you see there would be to
9 create a pot of money so that if any of those
10 required actions necessitated some additional
11 help from this body, we would have a place to go
12 for that.
13 Twenty million dollars for implementation
14 of public school choice. As per the legislation
15 this last year, each district of the 67 are now
16 required to come up with their own plans as to
17 how they will broaden the opportunities for
18 public school choice initiatives within their
19 district.
20 Those plans are now coming back to the
21 Department, and we will be ultimately going to
22 the Legislature with a more refined number as to
23 how we can help some of those districts who are
24 ready next year to implement their plans for
25 public school choice opportunities to do so.
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1 And that might be with some additional
2 transportation costs, it might be with technical
3 assistance, depending on their initiative.
4 Twenty million dollar increase in
5 transportation. And that is to fund the
6 workload. That means the additional students
7 who are coming into Florida schools and help
8 maintain the growth there. This would pretty
9 much increase the per student allocation to
10 $178, which is about a 6.3 per-- 6.36 percent
11 total budget increase over last year.
12 And, again, also included in this is a
13 significant boost in the amount of student
14 financial assistance, not only to fully fund the
15 second year of the Bright Future Scholarship
16 Program, which has been wildly successful, but
17 also to put a significant amount of new money
18 into purely Needs-Based Student Financial
19 assistance, not only to meet our statutory
20 obligation, but also to provide, as the
21 Chancellor mentioned, the day and time when the
22 last problem that a prepared student faces in
23 the state of Florida to gain access to a
24 postsecondary education is financial.
25 (Secretary Mortham exited the room.)
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I should also point
2 out on that score that there is a significant
3 attrition rate among many Florida students who
4 obtain Needs-Based Student Financial
5 assistance.
6 And we have begun a study, a tracking
7 study, of all students receiving student
8 financial assistance, be it through the Bright
9 Future Scholarship Program or the Take Stock in
10 Children Program, or the Needs-Based Student
11 Financial Assistance programs. We want to find
12 out where those students are in the pipeline.
13 But if we lose those students along the
14 way, it's very important that we know why so
15 that ultimately we can go back and make some
16 changes in what we're doing and how we're doing
17 it to see if we can provide additional support
18 to those students so that they can complete
19 their postsecondary opportunity.
20 We also, as I mentioned, are looking to
21 fully fund the second year of the Bright Future
22 Scholarship Program. We think that'll be about
23 a 25 million dollar additional task, on top of
24 what we're already receiving for
25 Bright Futures.
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1 And now I think we're up to about
2 42,000 students who are somewhere in advanced
3 vocational technical, community college, or the
4 university system, receiving Bright Future
5 Scholarships.
6 That whole issue we will continue to look
7 at. And I was asked by the press this morning
8 if, in fact, there may be some students in the
9 system who might be taking less rigorous
10 course work to make certain that they achieve
11 that Bright Future Scholarship, and that is a
12 concern. If there's only one. And so as
13 Georgia did, we'll constantly be looking at the
14 criteria.
15 And if we need to put in a weighted grade
16 point average to make certain that students are
17 in those more rigorous and challenging courses
18 aren't penalized based on the GPA requirement,
19 then we'll certainly do that, and make whatever
20 changes we need to to the Bright Future
21 Scholarship Program, to make sure it's the best
22 in the country.
23 So, Governor, and members of the Cabinet --
24 State Board, in this case --
25 (Secretary Mortham entered the room.)
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1 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- that's a -- a
2 highlighted look at the overall budget, and I'd
3 be happy to try to answer any questions that you
4 all might have.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: A question, Frank.
7 You may or may not want to address it or be able
8 to address it.
9 But I was taken by the Chancellor's
10 presentation and that pie chart that he had in
11 terms of his anticipated funds, where they were
12 going to come from, and a fairly significant
13 reduction in the contribution from the lottery
14 going to the Chancellor's budget.
15 What is your projection of that particular
16 source of funding for education?
17 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: The lottery appears
18 to be going through what most lotteries in the
19 country go through, and that is that after a
20 certain number of years, they begin to flatten.
21 The experts tell me for two reasons: One
22 is that some people simply tire of playing; the
23 other reason is that new games are sometimes
24 necessary, or additional kinds of lottery
25 opportunities, to continue to keep the interest
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1 up of the population.
2 The Bright Future Scholarship, as it
3 relates to the Florida Lottery, of course, will
4 be about a 200 million dollar investment out of
5 lottery dollars once it's fully funded. So
6 students who are in a four-year program, and
7 others, will have full funding.
8 But we do recognize that if we don't
9 continue to increase the general revenue share
10 of State budget going to education, not only
11 will the lottery continue to support supplantive
12 dollars, rather than supplemental dollars, but
13 will begin a second phase of problem, and that
14 is a reduction in the amount of general revenue
15 and lottery money going into the system, and
16 that would be the first time that ever happened.
17 The good news, at least temporarily, is
18 that this past legislative session, the House
19 and Senate got the general revenue share to --
20 going to all of education back up from what was
21 three years ago 49 percent and change, it's back
22 up now to almost 53 percent. So we're moving in
23 the right direction.
24 But what I continue to tell the leadership
25 is that whenever we earmark a lottery dollar for
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1 a specific activity, be it pre-kindergarten, or
2 be it the Bright Future Scholarship Program,
3 we've got to make certain that we restore that
4 dollar, and then some, in general revenue to
5 make certain that we're still providing a level
6 playing field.
7 And we have a long way to go, General, in
8 that regard. We were as high at one point in
9 this state as 59 percent and change of general
10 revenue going to all of education, not just
11 K-12, but K-12, community college, and
12 university. So we have a significant way to go
13 on that increase in general revenue.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: I -- I think,
15 Mr. Secretary, you have an ambitious budget,
16 quite a bit of increases.
17 I enjoy the -- I kind of wish I enjoyed
18 being able to sit where you sit and be able to
19 propose a budget without having to propose any
20 revenues or the other side of that budget.
21 But understanding that, I think that you've
22 made some major increases with, again, some
23 major good reasons for increasing those.
24 I like what you're doing in the reading
25 improvement, and recognizing that and the
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1 textbook and instructional materials, which we
2 were very low in, and we're now beginning to
3 catch up.
4 In looking at a number of these others, and
5 listening to some of the innovations, a
6 satellite dish for every school; ESOL,
7 broadening of that, I was in Holmes Braddock
8 High School, the largest high school in the
9 state yesterday. Their ESOL class has
10 53 students in a portable.
11 You know, if there's any place where it
12 seems to me you ought to have a lower
13 pupil-teacher ratio, it's trying to teach
14 English as a first language to some student.
15 And not all of them are Spanish even down
16 there. They may be -- it may be Creole, it may
17 be Indian, it may be some other language that
18 they're trying -- a teacher is trying to teach
19 as well.
20 So certainly that's a -- that's a major
21 thing.
22 Seeing the increase that you have for
23 dropout funding, 61 million dollars, bringing us
24 to a total of 501 million dollars, that's a heck
25 of an item that we're having to pay for
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1 remediation for failures sort of along the way.
2 With the -- all of those good words,
3 there's a glaring omission to me in this budget,
4 and that's full service schools are left out.
5 That's 11 million dollars, I think.
6 And I know on the one hand that perhaps
7 you know that I will fight to try to put that
8 back. But on the other hand, what I -- what
9 concerns me is that this goes out as the
10 Department of Education's budget as to what the
11 pressing needs are, and we highlight all of
12 these needs and all of these increases, and we
13 leave out full service schools.
14 Now, if we're concerned about dropout
15 prevention, then I think we ought to be
16 concerned about full service schools. If
17 there's a quotient that would help in the
18 dropout prevention, if we're concerned about
19 getting satellites -- and I think that's an
20 excellent thing to bring that new knowledge and
21 all -- and if we're concerned about that
22 five hundred and -- and one million dollars that
23 we're spending on that dropout prevention, all
24 of those things, it seems to me that full
25 service schools is just a major, major item.
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1 And certainly you can make an argument, it
2 ought to be funded from somewhere else. But
3 we're talking about whether this is a basic
4 quotient of providing a proper education system
5 for our kids. And I would submit that those
6 full service schools are one of the best tools
7 that we have out there today. And failing to
8 recognize that -- or failing to speak to that is
9 just a glaring omission.
10 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Well, Governor, I
11 appreciate your position, and, again, you and I
12 have talked about this issue for the past
13 three years.
14 And with all due respect, I do understand
15 how you feel about that, and I do not fight, and
16 even endorse, putting the full service school
17 money in other places in the budget where
18 I think they're more appropriately housed,
19 because I do see some good full service schools
20 activities taking place out there.
21 So we do agree that those full service
22 schools dollars can make an appreciable
23 difference when used properly out there in the
24 public education system. It is merely, as I've
25 said in the past -- and rational people can
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1 disagree on rational issues -- a matter of
2 placement, and that is the bottom line. That's
3 the only issue where we differ.
4 So I -- I do understand your position, as I
5 always have in the past, and I respect your
6 position.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: I guess I consider most
8 rational people who agree with me.
9 MR. PIERSON: The community colleges will
10 not be giving a presentation on their budget,
11 but have Syd McKenzie and Howard Campbell
12 available to answer any questions you might
13 have.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right.
15 MR. McKENZIE: Governor, members of the
16 Cabinet, we have presented the budget in some
17 detail to all of y'all. Mr. Maxwell regrets his
18 inability to be here today.
19 We're here to answer questions, if you have
20 them, on the budget.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Are there any questions?
22 There don't seem to be.
23 Thank you, sir.
24 MR. McKENZIE: Thank you.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: And I guess we need a
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1 vote on all three?
2 MR. PIERSON: Our recommendation is for
3 approval.
4 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I'll move the item.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I'll second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: The item has been moved
7 and seconded.
8 Without objection, the budget is submitted.
9 MR. PIERSON: Item 3 is Rule 6A-14.0301,
10 Amendment, Community College Withdrawal
11 Forgiveness.
12 The recommendation, that this rule be
13 withdrawn.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: I'll move the
15 withdrawal, Governor.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
18 Without objection, it's withdrawn.
19 MR. PIERSON: Item 4, appointments to the
20 Florida Keys Community College Board of
21 Trustees: Appointments of Patricia A. Almeda,
22 reappointment, through May 31st, 2001; and
23 Mona C. Clark, reappointment, through May 31st,
24 2001.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the item.
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1 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
2 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
4 Without objection, it's approved.
5 MR. PIERSON: Thank you.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Veterans' Affairs.
2 MR. RAINWATER: Good morning,
3 Governor Chiles, and members of the Cabinet.
4 Your Department of Veterans' Affairs comes
5 to you this morning with three agenda items.
6 Item number 1, we request you accept our
7 quarterly reports for the third and fourth
8 quarters of this past fiscal year.
9 We recommend --
10 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion to
11 accept.
12 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
13 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Seconded.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
15 Without objection, it's approved.
16 MR. RAINWATER: Thank you.
17 Our Legislative Budget Request for fiscal
18 year 1998-1999, which has been previously
19 submitted, for the record, in some detail.
20 I would be remiss if I didn't comment on
21 the significant increase in our Legislative
22 Budget Request. That primarily reflects the --
23 the requirement for 131 full-time equivalent
24 employees as staff for the new Lopez Veterans --
25 State veterans nursing home now under
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1 construction in Pasco County, expected to open
2 next July.
3 The significant part of our LBR is to staff
4 the new nursing home.
5 The only other three additional
6 full-time equivalent positions we're requesting
7 is to better serve the veterans of the State of
8 Florida to ensure that the United States
9 Department of Veterans' Affairs continues at the
10 level of expenditure they currently are
11 expending in the State of Florida, 7.5 billion
12 dollars in our state.
13 With those comments, we request the
14 acceptance of our Legislative Budget Request,
15 and I'm prepared to answer questions, if there
16 are any.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 MR. RAINWATER: Thank you.
22 Third item is our capital improvements
23 plan.
24 Once again, I would be remiss if I didn't
25 comment on the significant increase in the
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1 capital improvements plan budget.
2 This reflects 6 million dollars per year
3 for the next two years for the construction of
4 an additional State veterans' nursing home. The
5 siting process for that nursing home is underway
6 as we speak.
7 We have received six submissions thus far.
8 The ending -- the end of this month is the
9 deadline for submission. We have received
10 requests -- siting requests from Madison County,
11 Okaloosa County, Holmes, Broward, Lee, and
12 Charlotte Counties. And those are under
13 consideration. There may be one or two more.
14 Those funds are per year, 2 million dollars
15 in State rounded and State outlays, and
16 4 million dollars in Federal outlays to
17 construct the new nursing home.
18 We'd request approval of our capital
19 improvements plan.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
21 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
23 Without objection, that's approved.
24 MR. RAINWATER: Thank you very much.
25 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES:
2 Department of Highway Safety.
3 MR. DICKINSON: Good morning, Governor and
4 Cabinet.
5 Item 1 is recommend appointment of the
6 following doctor to a four-year term:
7 Dr. Sprehe, a psychiatrist in Tampa.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the item.
9 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MR. DICKINSON: Item 2 is submission of
13 accomplishments for our performance contract
14 from last year for the Executive Director.
15 I will tell you, we achieved all of our
16 goals, save one, and that was a robbery task
17 force down in Miami that was -- there was really
18 no need to fund it any more. It was a joint
19 effort between FDLE and the Highway Patrol. And
20 that was the only one that -- that was not
21 achieved.
22 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move the item.
23 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MR. DICKINSON: Item 3 is submission of our
2 97-98 performance contract.
3 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
4 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, it's approved.
7 MR. DICKINSON: Item 4 is submission of the
8 Department Legislative Budget Request for the
9 98-99 fiscal year.
10 I will tell you that we have about
11 50 percent of our requested increase is the
12 law enforcement component, about 40 percent are
13 some items that'll help in the service area with
14 regard to -- there are no personnel items in
15 that 40 percent. These are all automation.
16 And then 10 percent of our budget request
17 are cars, as per the DMS schedule for time and
18 mileage.
19 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move the item.
20 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Question,
21 Governor?
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Question.
23 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Okay. Fred,
24 is FHP the only aspect of your agency which is
25 funded by general revenue?
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1 MR. DICKINSON: Yes, sir.
2 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Okay. And
3 you do not see yet any increase in troopers --
4 2 million increase in troopers, do you? I mean,
5 what are you usually -- what are you
6 averaging --
7 MR. DICKINSON: This past year we didn't,
8 the previous year we did.
9 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Okay.
10 Governor, I sort of -- I've always wondered from
11 the standpoint of the Department, everything
12 else is self-sufficient, that if somehow or
13 other the gas tax was linked to the Patrol
14 somehow, that we'd be able to keep pace with the
15 number of troopers that we really need in the
16 State of Florida, as opposed to dealing with it
17 from the issue of -- from a general revenue.
18 And we'd free up --
19 How much is your FHP budget, about
20 130 million?
21 MR. DICKINSON: Yes, sir.
22 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Okay.
23 MR. DICKINSON: And not all of that is
24 general revenue.
25 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: I don't know
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1 what the trust funds are at DOT anymore, but
2 I -- but I think it's maybe something to look at
3 in the future. But --
4 I second the item.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's been moved and then
6 seconded?
7 Did you second?
8 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: (Nodding
9 head.)
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 MR. DICKINSON: Governor, Item 5 is
13 request approval of a contract with the
14 Oracle Corporation. This is a partnership
15 between the Department of Law Enforcement,
16 ourselves, and Department of Corrections for the
17 tracking of sexual predators once they leave the
18 correctional system.
19 And this is a software component for
20 issuing the digitized information that we have
21 in our -- in our shop to FDLE, so they can
22 disperse that information to the local
23 community.
24 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
25 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
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1 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, that's approved.
4 MR. DICKINSON: Thank you, Governor.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
6 (The Department of Highway Safety and
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Department of Revenue.
2 MR. FUCHS: Good morning.
3 Item 1 is request for approval of the
4 minutes of the September 9th, 1997, meeting.
5 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the minutes.
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
7 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
9 Without objection, they're approved.
10 MR. FUCHS: Item 2 is a request for
11 approval and authority to enter into a contract
12 with the International Association of Assessing
13 Officers to provide certification courses for
14 governmental officials and employees.
15 We've had these contracts for a number of
16 years. A five-year contract just expired.
17 Essentially we're continuing the program.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
19 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
20 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
21 Without objection, that's approved.
22 MR. FUCHS: Item 3, request approval and
23 authority to file with the Secretary of State
24 under Chapter 120, Florida Statutes, the repeal
25 of Rule Chapter 12A-18, Florida
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1 Administrative Code, having to do with the
2 advanced disposal fee program.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, that's approved.
7 MR. FUCHS: Governor, members of the
8 Cabinet, I would request deferral of Item 4
9 until the October 21st, 1997, meeting.
10 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move deferral.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
13 Without objection, Item 4 is deferred.
14 MR. FUCHS: Item 5 is a request for
15 authority to enter into a multiple -- a series
16 of contracts between the Department of Revenue
17 and the 15 certified public accounting firms
18 listed, I believe, in your package for tax
19 compliance audits.
20 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move approval.
21 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
22 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
24 Without objection, it's approved.
25 MR. FUCHS: And Item 6 is request approval
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1 and acceptance of my performance contract for
2 1997-98. It's the year coming.
3 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
6 Without objection, that's approved.
7 MR. FUCHS: Thank you.
8 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
9 (The Department of Revenue Agenda was
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Administration
2 Commission.
3 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 1, recommend
4 approval of the minutes for the meeting held
5 September 9th --
6 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move it.
7 DR. BRADLEY: -- 1997.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
10 Without objection, it's approved.
11 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 2 is recommend
12 approval of the transfer of six positions and
13 budget from the Department of Business and
14 Professional Regulation to the Department of
15 Environmental Protection.
16 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
18 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 3, recommend
22 approval of the transfer of general revenue
23 appropriations for the Department of Children
24 and Families.
25 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
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1 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
2 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
3 Without objection, that's approved.
4 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 4, recommend
5 approval of the transfer of general revenue
6 appropriations for the Department of Education,
7 Division of Public Schools.
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
9 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
11 Without objection, it's approved.
12 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 5, recommend
13 approval of Items A and B for the
14 Justice Administrative Commission.
15 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
16 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and --
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: That's A --
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
20 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: -- A and B, Governor.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. Moved and
22 seconded.
23 Without objection. Items 5A and B are
24 approved.
25 DR. BRADLEY: Item number 6, recommend
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1 approval for the transfer of general revenue
2 appropriations for the Department of State.
3 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
5 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, that's approved.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Board of Trustees of
2 Internal Improvement Fund.
3 MR. GREEN: Item 1, approval of minutes.
4 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move the minutes.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
7 Without objection, it's approved.
8 MR. GREEN: Item 2, request to issue a
9 50-year easement to Florida Power Corporation.
10 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
11 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
12 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
13 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
14 Without objection, it's approved.
15 MR. GREEN: Item 3, request to modify a use
16 agreement Number U-0281.
17 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
18 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
20 Without objection, it's approved.
21 MR. GREEN: Item 4, an exchange agreement.
22 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
23 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
25 Without objection, it's approved.
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1 MR. GREEN: Item 5, ten option agreements
2 to acquire 1.8 acres in the Shell Island
3 Division of Recreation and Park Addition, and a
4 waiver of survey.
5 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
6 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
8 Without objection, it's approved.
9 MR. GREEN: Item 6, an option agreement to
10 acquire 1.4 acres within the Archie Carr.
11 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
12 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
13 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Second.
14 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
16 Without objection, it's approved.
17 MR. GREEN: Item 7, an option agreement to
18 acquire 49.8 acres in the Florida Keys ecosystem
19 CARL project.
20 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move approval.
21 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Second.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
23 Without objection, that's approved.
24 MR. GREEN: Item 8, option agreement to
25 acquire .344 acres within Florida's First
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1 Magnitude Springs CARL project.
2 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
3 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And second.
4 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
5 Without objection, it's approved.
6 MR. GREEN: Item 9, purchase agreement
7 to -- to acquire 3.47 acres in South Savannas,
8 an option agreement to acquire 5 acres within
9 South Savannas.
10 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Move approval.
11 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Second.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded.
13 Without objection, that's approved.
14 MR. GREEN: Substitute Item 10, three
15 purchase agreements to acquire .57 acres by the
16 Board of Trustees for the Board of Regents.
17 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Let me ask a
18 question, Governor.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
20 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: It's on parcel
21 number 205, which has a tax assess value of
22 60,000, now assessed this year at 63,000,
23 purchased in 1990 for 65,000, and then appraised
24 at 170,000 for this particular purchase, almost
25 three times the assessed value, almost three
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1 times the purchase value.
2 And I'm interested, Kirby, in the -- why
3 the wide variance between the appraisal and the
4 assessed value and the purchase value.
5 MR. GREEN: Okay. We can talk to the
6 appraised value. I have the appraiser who
7 reviewed the appraisal work for us.
8 Ellie Edmondson is here. If he will come
9 forward.
10 MR. EDMONDSON: General Milligan.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Very simply, I'm
12 curious as to the disparity between the tax
13 assessor's appraisal and the purchase price in
14 1990, and the appraisal today.
15 MR. EDMONDSON: The only thing I could
16 speak to would be that the methodology that was
17 used by the appraiser was -- it was consistent
18 with what market norms are. He took three
19 different looks at the property.
20 He -- you know, he assumed what it would,
21 you know, cost to build it today new, as if it
22 were brand new. And then he looked at the
23 market rent on the property, which, I think, was
24 about 18,000 a year. And then the third method
25 was he looked at sales of other office
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1 buildings, which range from about $70 a square
2 foot to about $100 a square foot. And he had
3 four different sales that he looked at.
4 He concluded that this one was sort of
5 middle-of-the-road of the four that he looked
6 at, and he concluded that the value was $85 a
7 square foot. I -- I thought that that was,
8 you know, reasonable and well, you know -- well
9 supported conclusion.
10 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Kind of interesting
11 that the property next door, which was a similar
12 property, in 1995 was purchased by the
13 University for 60,000.
14 I'm just having a hard time stretching
15 from --
16 MR. EDMONDSON: No, that --
17 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- adjacent
18 properties --
19 MR. EDMONDSON: Would that be the Florida
20 Flambeau structure, or the one on the other
21 side?
22 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Now you're pinning
23 me down to be more precise than the location.
24 It was the adjacent piece of property with a
25 house on it --
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1 MR. EDMONDSON: Uh-hum.
2 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- slightly smaller
3 in terms of the size of the --
4 MR. EDMONDSON: Uh-hum.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- land, but
6 purchased for obviously considerably less.
7 MR. EDMONDSON: I would have to visit that
8 particular site to be able to make an opinion on
9 what was driving the buyer. There's been a lot
10 of land transactions in there. And generally
11 speaking, we got a really high level of comfort
12 on those.
13 We see the land and the -- you know,
14 university transition area moving really
15 consistently at $8.50 to $8.75 a square foot.
16 Anything between $8.50 a square foot and $9 a
17 square foot, we're pretty comfortable with.
18 And what we find frequently is there's a
19 lot of houses -- even this house, you know,
20 parcel 205 was built, I believe, in 1925,
21 completely renovated in 1990. I do not have
22 that cost figure. I wish that I did. But --
23 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Have you looked at
24 that house?
25 MR. EDMONDSON: Beg your pardon?
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1 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Have you looked at
2 that house?
3 MR. EDMONDSON: Yes, sir.
4 It'd either be -- the structure next
5 door -- and this is conjecture on my part, but I
6 see it happen time and time again in that
7 market -- it's quite possible that the
8 improvements were just deteriorated to the point
9 where they were no longer any contribution to
10 the value of the site --
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: A hundred and twenty
12 thousand dollars worth you think, huh?
13 MR. EDMONDSON: I beg your pardon?
14 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: A hundred and twenty
15 thousand dollars worth.
16 MR. EDMONDSON: On the site next door you
17 mean, sir?
18 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Yeah. That's the
19 difference, 60,000 and 170,000, excuse me --
20 MR. EDMONDSON: We estimated, right, the
21 improvements, if you busted it out, the
22 difference between land and improvements, the
23 improvements would contribute about 120,000 in
24 this case.
25 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Well, as long as we
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1 continue to run the value of this property up,
2 obviously the continuing appraisals will be
3 higher and higher and higher, and we're going to
4 pay more and more and more.
5 I would -- can we handle these, Governor,
6 each of these parcels on an individual basis?
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: If you so desire,
8 yes, sir.
9 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Well, I would move
10 parcel 79 for approval; and parcel 33 for
11 approval; and parcel 205 for disapproval.
12 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
13 MR. GREEN: Governor --
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. There's been
15 a request for a division, and we'll certainly
16 grant that.
17 Yes, sir.
18 MR. GREEN: We have Vice President
19 Beverly Spencer from FSU here that would like to
20 speak to this issue.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right.
22 MS. SPENCER: Thank you, Governor, and
23 members.
24 General, we would like to buy it all very,
25 very inexpensively, but the public process that
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1 we go through does not always make that
2 possible. And improvements often happen on the
3 property, plus you have in many cases more
4 astute sellers than you have in some of the
5 options when you're dealing with the -- through
6 our public process.
7 Please keep in mind that we didn't receive
8 our first dollars for State land acquisition
9 until the legislative appropriation in 1990.
10 These were not released until later in the
11 year.
12 And our plan had to come back to this
13 Cabinet, the overall boundary plan, and be
14 approved before we could ever even look at any
15 property. And that did not occur until,
16 I believe, it was November of 1991, after the
17 property had already sold. So it couldn't have
18 been in our dream at that point.
19 We hadn't broken dirt -- or ground yet for
20 the University Center, which certainly has
21 impacted things.
22 The dream of closing Pensacola Street and
23 rerouting traffic, which is going to force
24 values up at that time, had not occurred, was
25 not even under consideration. And would anyone
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1 have believed at this time that Florida State
2 University would have a women's soccer team.
3 And so part of these issues relate to
4 having to purchase property to relocate softball
5 and soccer to accommodate things that in 1990
6 and '91 we never dreamed of.
7 We try, with the State law, and through
8 DEP, to accom-- get the best deal we can. We
9 would ask your approval of all three
10 properties.
11 Thank you for your time and consideration.
12 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: If I might,
13 Governor, I just would comment.
14 I appreciate the dilemma that are you in,
15 but I also appreciate that we're spending
16 taxpayers' dollars here, and I have a little
17 trouble with some of these passing my 7-Eleven
18 test. So --
19 COMMISSIONER CRAWFORD: Governor, I just --
20 I would support the purchase of all the
21 properties. I agree with the frustration that
22 General Milligan has. And I think it relates
23 back to the public nature of our operation
24 here.
25 It's certainly a time-honored tradition of
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1 real estate investors to try to buy property in
2 the path of progress. And in this case, they're
3 buying in the path of progress of the State,
4 which makes us even more irritated, I guess,
5 that, you know, we have to pay more money. But
6 it's certainly reasonable for investors to do
7 that.
8 And as we keep purchasing, it's going to
9 drive prices up. And it's -- the private sector
10 has to deal with the same problem.
11 When Disney came into Orlando and
12 started -- before they purchased the Disney
13 property, they came in in secrecy, and so they
14 could -- they could buy property and not drive
15 the price up. We don't have that luxury.
16 And if we did, we would buy things a lot
17 less expensive. But the public access to
18 information is, I guess, more overriding, and it
19 hinders our abilities in all the things we do up
20 here. I see it every day.
21 But I don't think that in this case, it
22 warrants not purchasing these properties.
23 GOVERNOR CHILES: I know that --
24 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: If I may make one
25 more comment --
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
2 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: -- Governor.
3 Parcel 205, while an important piece of
4 property for the development plan of the
5 University, is not as pressing as certainly
6 parcel 33; and to a lesser extent, parcel 79.
7 Parcel 205, as I understand it, is intended
8 to support some of the fraternity operations in
9 the future, and so forth, and there are other
10 pieces of property surrounding this particular
11 parcel that if we approve this one at this price
12 will just skyrocket those pieces of property.
13 So that's why I'm honing in on 205.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: That's the question
15 I think I was going to ask. Two oh five is an
16 interior parcel. It seems like to me the corner
17 parcel, I understand, is -- does not have a
18 willing seller right now.
19 What are you really going to be able to use
20 205 for now? What are we going to really
21 stop --
22 MS. SPENCER: Right now, the use --
23 Yes. We do have a lot of unwilling
24 sellers, and we'll be asking you to deal with
25 some of that in the future.
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1 GOVERNOR CHILES: Uh-hum.
2 MS. SPENCER: Right now, that would
3 probably be used immediately for parking and
4 also for smaller institutes and centers.
5 Because of the space situation that the
6 Chancellor highlighted, we move institutes,
7 centers, and groups of students into all kind of
8 little houses, little trailers -- we, too, have
9 trailers on the campus -- so that it would be
10 used for academic purposes, even though the
11 long-range plan does go into development for
12 sorority and fraternity housing in the master
13 plan.
14 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Governor --
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, ma'am.
16 SECRETARY MORTHAM: -- at this time though,
17 Beverly, you're saying that this particular
18 parcel, even though it's not large, would,
19 in fact, be used for parking, which is at a
20 premium at best over there.
21 MS. SPENCER: Yes. If the condition -- and
22 the -- the facility has been upgraded, that very
23 much so that is on that piece of property.
24 If we can move an existing crowded unit
25 into that facility until we clear the whole
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1 area, we would use it for instructional
2 purposes. They have not determined that these
3 people in room 102 of the Williams Building.
4 But we are remodeling buildings, moving whole
5 units out of buildings into trailers, anywhere
6 else that we can find to put them.
7 So it would not go unused until it goes
8 into parking, until it goes into additional
9 housing.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: All right. I think we've
11 had a discussion on it. Let's take up the items
12 one at a time.
13 The first parcel is --
14 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Number 79.
15 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- 79.
16 So many as favor the purchase of parcel 79,
17 signify by saying aye.
18 THE CABINET: Aye.
19 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
20 Parcel 79 is approved.
21 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And then parcel 33.
22 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thirteen?
23 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Thirty-three, sir.
24 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thirty-three.
25 All right. So many as approve the purchase
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1 of parcel 33, signify by saying aye.
2 THE CABINET: Aye.
3 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
4 Parcel 33 is approved.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: And parcel 205.
6 GOVERNOR CHILES: And parcel 205.
7 So many as favor the purchase of
8 parcel 205, say aye.
9 THE CABINET: Aye.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
11 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: No.
12 GOVERNOR CHILES: No.
13 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: No.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: I think we're going to
15 wait on 205.
16 Give the appraiser time to get his rows in
17 order.
18 MR. GREEN: Substitute Item 11,
19 modification of five-year sovereignty submerged
20 land lease.
21 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: I'll move
22 the item, Governor, but I have an amendment at
23 the appropriate time.
24 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: I'll second it.
25 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Okay.
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1 Governor, the amendment I have is agreed to
2 by the -- the applicant and also by DEP.
3 And it would read: This lease does not
4 authorize the mooring of gambling vessels. Any
5 proposal to allow the mooring of gambling
6 vessels at this facility require prior approval
7 by the Board of Trustees of the Internal
8 Improvement Trust Fund.
9 And I move the amendment.
10 GOVERNOR CHILES: It's -- the item has been
11 moved and seconded --
12 As amended?
13 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Yes.
14 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- as amended.
15 So we'll vote on the item as amended.
16 So many as favor signify by saying aye.
17 THE CABINET: Aye.
18 GOVERNOR CHILES: Opposed, no.
19 Item is adopted.
20 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Thank you.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Yes, sir.
22 (The Board of Trustees of the Internal
23 Improvement Trust Fund Agenda was concluded.)
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1 MR. GREEN: St. Johns River Water
2 Management District.
3 Item 1 is the minutes of the May 28th, '97,
4 meeting.
5 COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN: Move approval.
6 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
7 GOVERNOR CHILES: They've been moved --
8 COMMISSIONER BROGAN: Second.
9 GOVERNOR CHILES: -- seconded.
10 Without objection, the minutes are
11 approved.
12 MR. GREEN: Items 2, 3, and 4, recommend
13 deferral until the October 21st meeting.
14 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Motion.
15 SECRETARY MORTHAM: Move deferral.
16 ATTORNEY GENERAL BUTTERWORTH: Second.
17 GOVERNOR CHILES: Moved and seconded on a
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19 And without objection, that's approved.
20 MR. GREEN: Thank you.
21 GOVERNOR CHILES: Thank you, sir.
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5 COUNTY OF LEON:
6 I, LAURIE L. GILBERT, do hereby certify that
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